Good policing or just invasive?

londonTiger

goonarmy wrote: »

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One of these?

yes it was one of these.

I am pretty damn sure the police officers aproach was a lot stronger than what suspicion he had to go on. Knocking on my window asking what was I doing just then, it's unprofessional. I've been stopped before. The best thing to do would be to calmly and politely say "I'm doing a routine check to see if you are the owner of the vehicle, are you the registered owner and do you have your license?" He came in all guns blaming rushed out with backup and knocked on my window and question me in an accusatory tone.

I have made a complaint with the IPCC about this.

londonTiger

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

And if they had stopped someone who had stolen your vehicle, would your opinion be different??

I've been a victim of a crime several times. Nothing was ever done about it. Reported it and jack !!!! happened. I once went to the police station to file a report on threats made against me but someone who lives down the road. Apparantly someone saying "i'm gonna pay you a visit" after a threatening altercation and then sending his mates round to park outside my house and stare at me is not considered a crime so they cannot act on that.

btw, tell a police officer "I'm gonna pay you a visit", find out where they live and then send your mates round to stalk them for 5 minutes and see what they do. Double standards.

I have zero hope for the police. The only interaction I ever see with police these days is speed traps and revenue generation for traffic. I don't think the police officer was concerned at all about me possibly stealing the car. I think I may have looked like I was unfamiliar in the car. So he jumped out thinking I'm a relative of the owner possibily about to go on a drive when I'm not insured on it. So decided to pounce. It was 6pm on a busy residential street that has a lot of rush hour traffic. Not somewhere where you would expect someone to burgle a car.

Joe_Horner

londonTiger wrote: »

It was 6pm on a busy residential street that has a lot of rush hour traffic. Not somewhere where you would expect someone to burgle a car.

Really? Sounds like the perfect time and place to me - lots of people, everyone rushing to get home after a long day and not paying attention to much else, the thief becomes just one more face in the crowd.

If anyone passing does notice, they assume it must be innocent precisely because it's "not somewhere where you would expect someone to burgle a car"

SLITHER99

Joe_Horner wrote: »

Really? Sounds like the perfect time and place to me - lots of people, everyone rushing to get home after a long day and not paying attention to much else, the thief becomes just one more face in the crowd.

If anyone passing does notice, they assume it must be innocent precisely because it's "not somewhere where you would expect someone to burgle a car"

Really? Hmm, in my lifetime, I've had six individual occasions where my vehicle was targeted. Three times the actual car was stolen, three times something was stolen from the car (radio on two occasions, a satnav I stupidly left on the seat on another occasion).

Every occasion was during the dead of night with no sod around. I happen to think if I was going to do some vehicle theft, I'd rather there be nobody around to identify me or wonder why I'm opening my car up with a brick.

SLITHER99

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

And what difference does it make that you are a woman?

Come on now! I don't know if you're trying to give the impression that you're a cop and just a keyboard warrior, or if you're a cop and playing the innocent but firm angle.

I'm a former bouncer and I can wholly tell you that a woman on her own is far more likely to feel intimidated than a man on his own! It's just the fact of the matter. If you genuinely don't know that much then you're either not actually a cop, or you're a rookie at best!

There have been several times I've left my post to walk a lone woman to the train station or get her safe into a cab! The fact that she's being approached by police officers is really no different, especially if they come off with the all guns blazing accusatory attitude!

Stoke

Ultrasonic wrote: »

Are you able to supply any evidence to support that claim? I strongly suspect it is nonsense. Isn't it more a question of them requiring 'just cause'? e.g. a police officer can smell cannabis so they have just cause to search the car and its occupants for drugs.

OK, perhaps a warrant is the wrong term for it. What I mean is, they have to suspect you've committed a crime. Sometimes police will stop people because they're targeting them, rather than genuinely believe you've done anything wrong. I'd like any police officer who uses this forum to tell me that they don't target groups of individuals, because I'd say he/she is a liar.

When I was 17, I worked in a certain filthy fast food outlet, we all know the one... double cheeseburger please... yeah, anyway, I had to work one very late night a week on Friday, usually finishing about 2am in the morning. To get home, I had to drive through the busy town centre, which was normally full of people on the !!!! and nightclub go'ers. I drove a Peugeot 106, which wasn't modified but fell into the category of the 'young persons' car.

Anyway, a few weeks after starting, I was pulled on one of my late night shifts (I'd only done maybe 2 or 3 late night shifts, so it was still a new experience). The policeman asked me what I was doing out so late at night. I was still in my uniform and I said, just been to work as you can see, thinking he'd take it in good humour. He did not. They asked me to step out of the car, they breathalysed me, they searched my vehicle damaging the plastic handle that makes the seat go forward. They routed around my vehicle for a good half an hour while I was sitting in the back of the police car, with a policewoman sitting in the front telling me "we get a lot of drug dealers and drink drivers round here". I probably did fail the attitude test myself, because I blew up a little bit sitting in the back of the police car. Did I look like a !!!!ing drug dealer? I was wearing a bloody skin-tight uniform, stinking of burger and fries.

Anyway, while I was sitting in the back of the police car, I watched another police officer pull a black Ford Ka and pull a similar stunt on this guy. I thought how odd... streams of Merc's, BMW's went past without being stopped and one Audi who flew past at well over the speed limit wasn't pulled yet, the next car to be pulled was a Ford Ka... hello targeting young people.

Anyway, they let me go and all that. I went home, did some research, learnt about the lines to say if I was pulled "Don't consent to searches", "Am I being detained or am I free to go". I was pulled another FIVE times on that route home, for no other reason than the police 'curiosity'. The closest I ever got to sitting in the back of the police car was standing outside of my own vehicle.

Hope that clears it up for you.

Captain_Flack.

londonTiger wrote: »

i googled tsg, yes you're right it was exactly like that. not a ford transit but a different make and is much more cube shaped rear.

Police convinced himself I was either a thief or if I wasn't I had done something else wrong before he even spoke to me.

Is this something he told you or an assumption?

Captain_Flack.

paddedjohn wrote: »

2. To take valuable or desired articles unlawfully from: rob a bank.





Sort yourself out, a car can be robbed just the same as a bank can, doesn't have to be person.

Actually your are wrong.


A person is guilty of robbery if he steals, and immediately before or at the time of doing so, and in order to do so, he uses force on any person or puts or seeks to put any person in fear of being then and there subjected to force.

You can't rob a building or organisation it the individual who's the victim.

Captain_Flack.

londonTiger wrote: »

yes it was one of these.

I am pretty damn sure the police officers aproach was a lot stronger than what suspicion he had to go on. Knocking on my window asking what was I doing just then, it's unprofessional. How?
I've been stopped before. The best thing to do would be to calmly and politely say "I'm doing a routine check to see if you are the owner of the vehicle, are you the registered owner and do you have your license?" He came in all guns blaming rushed out with backup and knocked on my window and question me in an accusatory tone.

I have made a complaint with the IPCC about this.

Just exactly what is the nature of your complaint?

Captain_Flack.

Stoke wrote: »

OK, perhaps a warrant is the wrong term for it. What I mean is, they have to suspect you've committed a crime. Sometimes police will stop people because they're targeting them, rather than genuinely believe you've done anything wrong. I'd like any police officer who uses this forum to tell me that they don't target groups of individuals, because I'd say he/she is a liar.

When I was 17, I worked in a certain filthy fast food outlet, we all know the one... double cheeseburger please... yeah, anyway, I had to work one very late night a week on Friday, usually finishing about 2am in the morning. To get home, I had to drive through the busy town centre, which was normally full of people on the !!!! and nightclub go'ers. I drove a Peugeot 106, which wasn't modified but fell into the category of the 'young persons' car.

Anyway, a few weeks after starting, I was pulled on one of my late night shifts (I'd only done maybe 2 or 3 late night shifts, so it was still a new experience). The policeman asked me what I was doing out so late at night. I was still in my uniform and I said, just been to work as you can see, thinking he'd take it in good humour. He did not. They asked me to step out of the car, they breathalysed me, they searched my vehicle damaging the plastic handle that makes the seat go forward. They routed around my vehicle for a good half an hour while I was sitting in the back of the police car, with a policewoman sitting in the front telling me "we get a lot of drug dealers and drink drivers round here". I probably did fail the attitude test myself, because I blew up a little bit sitting in the back of the police car. Did I look like a !!!!ing drug dealer? I was wearing a bloody skin-tight uniform, stinking of burger and fries.

Anyway, while I was sitting in the back of the police car, I watched another police officer pull a black Ford Ka and pull a similar stunt on this guy. I thought how odd... streams of Merc's, BMW's went past without being stopped and one Audi who flew past at well over the speed limit wasn't pulled yet, the next car to be pulled was a Ford Ka... hello targeting young people.

Anyway, they let me go and all that. I went home, did some research, learnt about the lines to say if I was pulled "Don't consent to searches", "Am I being detained or am I free to go". I was pulled another FIVE times on that route home, for no other reason than the police 'curiosity'. The closest I ever got to sitting in the back of the police car was standing outside of my own vehicle.

Hope that clears it up for you.

Not if there's a Section 60 in force they don't.;)