Good policing or just invasive?

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Guest101 wrote: »

Swearing is not illegal..

Then why did I get fined £200, for language likely to offend.

My words were, F***ing p**ck.

See a fine, for swearing, therefore illegal.

Guest101

ilikethesimpsons wrote: »

Then why did I get fined £200, for language likely to offend.

My words were, F***ing p**ck.

See a fine, for swearing, therefore illegal.

Did you go to court? or did you get issued with a FPN?

Did they state what act and section of the law you had breached?

[Deleted User]

Went to court, it was over 6 years ago, so can't remember what exactly, but it came under public order act.

Captain_Flack.

londonTiger wrote: »

the tsg has 700ish officers

Still part of the Met.;)

700 and you find how many complaints, do you have any stats for how may resulted in discipline?

londonTiger

Captain_Flack. wrote: »

Still part of the Met.;)

700 and you find how many complaints, do you have any stats for how may resulted in discipline?

read the copy pasted post it has the information. All complaints are dealt internally so it's irrelivant. Just like that cop who drove through the red light and crashed into a bus on the way TO work and all charges were dropped because "it was against public [read: our] interest"

Captain_Flack.

londonTiger wrote: »

read the copy pasted post it has the information. All complaints are dealt internally so it's irrelivant. Just like that cop who drove through the red light and crashed into a bus on the way TO work and all charges were dropped because "it was against public [read: our] interest"

It's very relevant as I asked how many resulted in discipline action?

Captain_Flack.

londonTiger wrote: »

read the copy pasted post it has the information. All complaints are dealt internally so it's irrelivant. Just like that cop who drove through the red light and crashed into a bus on the way TO work and all charges were dropped because "it was against public [read: our] interest"

Really?

londonTiger wrote: »

!!!!ing hell I've been reading into the territorial support group it looks like we have some paramilitary police operating here in the UK.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/mar/20/met-police-officers-accused-assaults

• March 2007: one officer is accused of bundling a man into the back of a police van where he was told to "get on his knees". When he replied this was not Guant!namo Bay he claims the officer grabbed him round the neck and "discharged his CS gas while continuing to hold his throat". He says he was then thrown from the van, leaving him with eye, neck and head injuries. According to the document no action was taken because the complaint was either "incapable of proof" or there was "no case to answer".

• November 2005: two of the officers were accused by a "black male" of attacking him in the back of a police van. The document states that he was subjected to "constant kicking to his head and stomach (approx 12 kicks). Head lifted off the floor by grabbing his right ear and lifting head." The attack left the man with bruising and swelling to his face but the case was not pursued, the Met said, because of "non-cooperation" by the complainant.

• October 2005: the document stated that two of the officers were involved in another assault on a "black male". It read: "In van repeatedly assaulted - kicks to the face, stamps on his head whilst handcuffed." The victim said afterwards he "felt like he might die". Vomiting and blood coming out of his ears, black swollen eye, lip busted, hands very swollen.


• June 2003: two officers accused of beating a "black male" in the back of the TSG van. "The beating continued in the van and in a search room at the station."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_Support_Group


Officers in the TSG have faced criticism about their policing methods and complaints have been made against officers of the TSG.[8] Senior officers say that the type of work that the TSG are involved with, policing protests and performing drug raids makes them more likely to have complaints made against them.[9]

As the result of a freedom of information request made by The Guardian newspaper, it was revealed that more than 5,000 complaints were made against the TSG in 4 years but only 9 have been upheld. Commenting on these figures, a member of the Metropolitan Police Authority stated that officers in the TSG are "practically immune" from criticism.[9]

One ex-Metropolitan Police officer suggested that TSG members, "spend (their) days waiting for action, and far too many officers join seeking excitement and physical confrontation." Some officers are ex-military personnel and these are "the worst bullies" as "the laws of the battlefield are not appropriate to the streets of our capital".[10]

In 1997 a man was beaten by officers from the TSG in what was described as an "outrageous display of brutality",[11] which only stopped when the man pretended to be unconscious. The man was charged with assault and threatening behaviour over the incident but was cleared after photographs of his injuries showed the officers had lied about the case under oath. After the man's acquittal the officers went on trial accused of assault in 1999 but were later cleared.[12]

In 2003, six officers of the TSG performed what a judge in 2009 called a "serious, gratuitous and prolonged" assault on a terrorist suspect, Babar Ahmad, a 34-year-old IT support analyst who was not subsequently charged with any offence.[13] The officers involved had already been the subject of as many as 60 complaints about unwarranted assaults against other men.[14] A number of mail sacks containing these complaints were somehow lost.[15] The accusations were investigated by the Independent Police Complaints Commission[16] but that they were found to be unsubstantiated. Five of the six officers were still members of the TSG in 2009.[14] Babar Ahmed was later awarded £60,000 compensation, by the High Court, for the assault.[13] In August, 2009, it was announced that the police officers accused of attacking Babar Ahmad would face criminal charges.[17] However all four officers were found not guilty in June 2011 after a recording from listening device placed in Mr Ahmed's home surfaced shortly before the trial which "proved the account originally given by these officers was correct and specific details of the complaint made by Mr Ahmad were not present" [18]

In 2005 a Kurdish youth recorded an officer on his mobile phone telling him "If you say one more !!!!ing word, I'll smash your !!!!ing Arab face in" after he was stopped near Paddington Green police station.[19] The officer was suspended but denied the charge.[20]

Another investigation into six other officers of the TSG by the IPCC was launched following allegations made by three men that they were racially abused during an incident during June 2007 in Paddington.[21] A van of officers stopped after seeing youths mouthing obscenities towards them.[22] The officers appeared in court in December 2008 and were prosecuted; two for racially abusing the men, four of misconduct in a public office and one of racially aggravated assault.[23] The Guardian reported that a request may have been made to restrict reporting of the trial by the media.[24] The officer who was driving the van acted as a whistleblower during the trial.[22] One officer, a former Royal Marine, accused in this case was also involved in the assault of Babar Ahmed and has had 31 complaints lodged against him since 1993. In November 2009 he was cleared of all offences, along with the other officers, and returned to work with the TSG.[9][25]

During the 2009 G-20 London summit protests two officers of the TSG were suspended from duty following publication of videos which recorded alleged assaults on members of the public at the 2009 G-20
London summit protests and at a subsequent memorial.[26] In the first case, the member of the public, Ian Tomlinson, died shortly afterwards. In the second case, Sgt Delroy (Tony) Smellie was seen hitting Nicola Fisher. Following her complaint, the Crown Prosecution Service announced in September 2009, that there was sufficient evidence to charge Sgt Smellie with assault. He appeared in court on 16 November 2009 and was cleared of assault charges on 31 March 2010 at City of Westminster Magistrates' Court. However, he could still face misconduct proceedings over the incident.[27]

Video evidence shows that the officer seen hitting Ian Tomlinson had his face covered[28] and that the officers involved in both cases were not displaying their identification numbers.[26] Following the investigation into police handling of the protest, the human rights group Liberty called for further study of what it referred to as the "militaristic approach" used by the TSG.[29]

Did he hit or push him?

Captain_Flack.

Guest101 wrote: »

Think alot of people arent aware of the laws. so here goes.

You are approached by police whilst in your vehicle.

You should, but do not have to, turn your engine off. You should do so, so you may film the encounter using an electical device. As the laws which relate to mobile phone usage apply to stationary vehicles.

You should lower the window approximately 8 centimetres, so you can speak to the officer.

You should not leave your vehicle. You must only do so if you are arrested. Film the encounter.

You can film the police (s.44 of the terrorims act has been abolished). Do so. So you're suggesting you carry a video camera?

You do not need to answer any questions. However you must provide your details. These can be written down for the officer.

You should ensure they show you their warrent card and identify themselves, giving their name and their station. They only need to show the warrant card if not in uniform for stop and search. Where in law do they have to give their name and station?

You should remain calm. (To the poster who said being rude is illegal. It is not, you've watched one to many brit cops. S.5 of the public order act deals specifically where a person may feel threatened with immediate violence, as a resultof the actions of another. Swearing is not illegal.) That's Section 4 Section 5 is disorderly conduct ie swearing in public.

lways make sure your doors are locked, the police do test this, even though they shouldnt. Says who?

These precautions will keep everyone on the right side of the law.

Which law firm to you work for? :think::whistle:

goonarmy

Captain_Flack. wrote: »

Really?



Did he hit or push him?

He killed him.

Captain_Flack.

goonarmy wrote: »

He killed him.

I know that but double the OP even knows who he is.;)