UK Parking Control - Ticket not compliant?

Coupon-mad

CH_7 wrote: »

Just opened this letter from them which they claim is the 'Final Reminder', but it's the first piece of correspondence I've had from them. This means I have only today to deal with the appeal. How can I prove I didn't receive a letter previously?

Anyway, here it is! (Again you need to add .jpg to the end of those links, still can't post images or links, sorry )

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At this stage is it just a case of going to ukpcappeals.co.uk and sending them my appeal now?

You haven't only got today to appeal - not unless you've not opened your post for weeks. That's the first letter so that's the 'Notice' the keeper can appeal to (this is covered in the NEWBIEs FAQs sticky thread where I mention the NTK 'or whatever they call the first letter'. It is not necessarily headed up NTK). And I did say it would arrive in January so the timing is right.

CH_7

Letter is dated 7th January and tells me I have 14 days to take action!

CH_7

New image links without QR codes, appreciate it if you could edit your post bod1467!

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Well spotted, thanks

bod1467

Done. (Except image 1 still has a QR code).

Coupon-mad

CH_7 wrote: »

Letter is dated 7th January and tells me I have 14 days to take action!

Well the BPA Code of Practice suggests 28 days is right. So maybe send your appeal today anyway just to get it there soonest. You write an appeal just like all the other ones you see in every other thread here, also there are a dozen examples linked in the NEWBIES sticky thread at the top of the forum.

You can have drafted your appeal within 20 mins or so once you read the sticky. Write ONLY as the keeper (not driver).

CH_7

Struggling with this one a little. Since I was parked in a bay which required a permit (residential), other arguments such as genuine pre-estimate of loss seem irrelevant, since they themselves don't charge for use of the bays (as would happen in a pay and display car park for example).

Their signage is extremely unclear as can be seen in their photographic evidence provided to me. They've taken a photo of the closest sign with my car in the foreground and you wouldn't spot it unless it was pointed out.

However, it seems a little weak giving them an appeal with unclear signage as the only argument. Working on it though as we speak.

Redx

there is no loss, so that is why you say that the charge of £60 or £100 or whatever is not a genuine pre-estimate of loss (which is all they can charge)

the loss is zero, so the charge should be zero, anything higher is an unlawful penalty , or unlawful punishment , so you make them prove their sums add up, which clearly they dont

also, the loss is to the LANDOWNER, not the PPC, so if the landowner has no loss, then no loss occurred

their signage has to fully comply with the BPA guidelines , you have no idea if they are, so you put the PPC to strict proof that they are , by saying they arent

in short, dont help them to beat you, make life hard for them by questioning everything, loss , contract , signage

Stroma

Trust us we have seen this thousands of times, this is not about what happened on the day, try this appeal

Dear UKPC,

As the registered keeper of (reg) I'm in receipt of your parking invoice xxxxxx dated xxxxxx. I wish to invoke your appeals process as is my right under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, all liability to you company is denied on the following:

1) The amount being claimed is not a genuine pre-estimate of loss to your company or the landowner
2) Your signage does not comply with the BPA Code of Practice
3) You are not the landowner and do not have the capacity to offer contracts or to bring a claim for trespass

These points and others will be raised with Popla should you not accept this appeal, and you will be expected to provide a full breakdown of your alleged loss, and your full unredacted contract with the landowner.

If you do reject the challenge and insist upon taking the matter further I must inform you that I may claim my expenses from you. The expenses I may claim are not exhaustive but may include the cost of stamps, envelopes, travel expenses, legal fees, etc. By continuing to pursue me you agree to pay these costs when I prevail.

Please issue your cancellation within 35 days of this letter, or a popla verification code.

Faithfully

CH_7

So should I save a long letter going into those points in detail for when they come back with a POPLA code (obviously costing them £27)?

Stroma

Your popla appeal will be based on the 3 points above, all those are winning appeal points at popla. They know this and they know they will lose there if those points are raised. The last part is if you wish to raise a claim against them for wasting your time and costing you money in doing so. That is optional