Boiler Replacement

Road_Hog

Freecall wrote: »

From RoSPA

Only Gas Safe Registered engineers can work on gas and fit, fix and service boilers, gas fires and most types of gas cookers in your home - it’s the law

http://www.rospa.com/homesafety/adviceandinformation/gassafety/

It makes no difference that you are doing it in your own home.

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When did Rospa become the legal governing body on gas installations?

Anyhow, if you are doing it not for profit, then a DIYer can do it himself.

Here's the actual boring legal proper government website link.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/2451/contents/made

For a more succinct answer, you may like to read this.

http://miketheboilerman.com/diy.htm

Road_Hog

dimbo61 wrote: »

Sorry Road Hog but putting in anything but a combi boiler would DEVALUE the property when you come to sell.
£3K sounds a good price for the job BUT if you ring BG I am sure they will charge TWICE the price

You're missing the point, a combi doesn't cover the point about condensing boilers.

Nor does it cover the longevity of boilers. I've been in my current property for 12 years and never had the boiler serviced. Knowing the previous owner, he probably never had it serviced either.

It's an old boiler, it does the job, no servicing required and quids in. It's like my old Dyson from 20 years ago, change the odd part and it keeps on going.

A boiler certainly doesn't devalue a house, for Christ's sake, not many properties sell for under £200K these days, who is going to worry about a boiler. Besides, if you have a combi boiler, where can you air the clothes if you don't have a tank.

wabbitpoo

Road_Hog wrote: »

When did Rospa become the legal governing body on gas installations?

Anyhow, if you are doing it not for profit, then a DIYer can do it himself.

Here's the actual boring legal proper government website link.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/2451/contents/made

For a more succinct answer, you may like to read this.

http://miketheboilerman.com/diy.htm

Qualification and supervision

3. (1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.
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Seems open to interpretation

Oh wait,
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(3) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraphs (1) and (2) above and subject to paragraph (4) below, no employer shall allow any of his employees to carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or service pipework and no self-employed person shall carry out any such work, unless the employer or self-employed person, as the case may be, is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the Health and Safety Executive for the purposes of this paragraph

Seems to be saying that tom !!!!!! or harry can't mess with gas. at least, I would imagine any sensible person would see it that way....

Road_Hog

wabbitpoo wrote: »

Qualification and supervision

3. (1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.
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Seems open to interpretation

Oh wait,
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(3) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraphs (1) and (2) above and subject to paragraph (4) below, no employer shall allow any of his employees to carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or service pipework and no self-employed person shall carry out any such work, unless the employer or self-employed person, as the case may be, is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the Health and Safety Executive for the purposes of this paragraph

Seems to be saying that tom !!!!!! or harry can't mess with gas. at least, I would imagine any sensible person would see it that way....

Erm, first part agrees with me. Second part refers to employer (i.e. money changing hands). We're talking DIY here, no money changing hands, so thanks for proving me right.

wabbitpoo

no it says self-employed ie home owner

regardless, you may be right - I was just saying a solicitor would be asking awkward questions of you when u come to sell.

rpc

wabbitpoo wrote: »

no it says self-employed ie home owner

Um, no.

Self employed means that the regulation applies to self employed tradesmen just as it applies to companies with employees. It would be daft to cover companies but not the self employed.

Unless someone pays you, it would be hard to call a home owner self-employed. Can I pay myself to fit my own boiler? Possibly but the men in white coats may be coming...

Road_Hog

wabbitpoo wrote: »

no it says self-employed ie home owner

regardless, you may be right - I was just saying a solicitor would be asking awkward questions of you when u come to sell.

This is what it says, stop digging yourself a hole.

(4) below, no employer shall allow any of his employees to carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or service pipework

wabbitpoo

stop being obtuse - it says self-employed and I am not digging a hole - as i say - you may well be right but a solicitor may well not agree! Either way I don't care if you do your own gas - you are probably more competent that many gassafe bods I have heard about!

Freecall

Road_Hog wrote: »

When did Rospa become the legal governing body on gas installations?

Anyhow, if you are doing it not for profit, then a DIYer can do it himself.

Here's the actual boring legal proper government website link.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/2451/contents/made

For a more succinct answer, you may like to read this.

http://miketheboilerman.com/diy.htm

So you query the authority of RoSPA on the issue and then quote 'Mike the Biolerman' as your reference.

Maybe you are intentionally missing the point but this is not just a technicality.

You have already been given a link to the relevant legislation by wabbitpoo.

For the record let us quote from the body which has statutory authority to enforce the legislation – The Health & Safety Executive :

1. Gas installers undertaking gas installation and maintenance work must be registered with a body approved by HSE.

2. HSE has appointed CAPITA to provide the gas installer registration scheme in Great Britain from April 2009.

3. For a single breach of one of these Gas Safety Regulations the maximum penalty in the lower court (Magistrates') is £20,000 or up to 1 year imprisonment for any offences after 16th January, 2009.

4. In the Crown Court any new offences can carry an unlimited fine or up to 2 years imprisonment.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/gas/domestic/

No mention of DIY or being ‘open to wide interpretation’ or Mike the Boilerman for that matter.

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Road_Hog

Freecall wrote: »

So you query the authority of RoSPA on the issue and then quote 'Mike the Biolerman' as your reference.

Maybe you are intentionally missing the point but this is not just a technicality.

You have already been given a link to the relevant legislation by wabbitpoo.

For the record let us quote from the body which has statutory authority to enforce the legislation – The Health & Safety Executive :

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1. Gas installers undertaking gas installation and maintenance work must be registered with a body approved by HSE.

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2. HSE has appointed CAPITA to provide the gas installer registration scheme in Great Britain from April 2009.

3. For a single breach of one of these Gas Safety Regulations the maximum penalty in the lower court (Magistrates') is £20,000 or up to 1 year imprisonment for any offences after 16th January, 2009.

4. In the Crown Court any new offences can carry an unlimited fine or up to 2 years imprisonment.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/gas/domestic/

No mention of DIY or being ‘open to wide interpretation’ or Mike the Boilerman for that matter.

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ROSPA are some nobody organisation. The Mike the boilerman link was detailed as a concise example.

However in the same thread, I linked the government and legal link.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/2451/contents/made

Now, back to the original point, where does it say that a DIYer (not being paid) cannot replace his boiler?