Panorama tonight: The Great House Price Bubble?

mayonnaise

dktreesea wrote: »

Isn't there pressure on water resources in certain parts of the UK, like the SE of England? That part of the UK seems to suffer from drought every now and then. The media mentions how the underground water in aquifers isn't being replenished as quickly as we are going through it.

Yes, because Thames Water has been shutting down reservoirs hand over fist. (in other words: delivering shareholder value)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/drought/9236909/Thames-Water-accused-of-mismanagement-by-closing-two-dozen-reservoirs.html

We wouldn't have to tap as much into the aquifiers if there was more storage capacity.

grizzly1911

cells wrote: »

Scotland is larger on a per capita basis so why don't Scotland build more than France on a per capita basis?

Scotland builds virtually the same as England on a per head basis even with 6-7x as much land.

What that shows is that land mass is irrelevant its government policy


Also France has lots of immigrants I recall reading an article saying they had the most in Europe which presumably mens more than the uk too.

Also France and the uk have groqn by virtually the same population over the last decade although UK is projected to add nore over the next decade than France.


So france has immigrants france is growing by almost tje same population uet it is building 3x as many homes.

If there isn't demand in an area why build an over supply there just because there is available land.

Lots of land can't be readily developed, is this taken into account in your calculations.

grizzly1911

michaels wrote: »

To be honest I believe you but why do the media go on about the pressure on 'water resources' in the SE and all that 'turn the tap off when brushing your teeth', 'put a brick in the toilet cistern' stuff?

Do you have a water meter installed? It concentrates the mind.

We tend to shower most of the time cleaner and uses less water/energy.

IveSeenTheLight

posh*spice wrote: »

That is seriously yuk and frankly just dumb - life is way too short for sharing bath water. I feel sick just at the thought of it...

What's the issue?
I regularly bathed both my kids in the bath at the same time.
Now they are a little older, we bath one at a time (but with the same water)
I don't see the issue.

Actually, we should hopefully soon be progressing them to showers, but it's not so easy with a 2 and 4 year old.
We have to consider safety also.

IveSeenTheLight

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I took it that you were saying you shared the bathwater throughout the family, something that's a step too far for me too currently. Sure, if we were in abject poverty, fine, we probably would. But under all other circumstances I wouldn't really want to share bathwater with other adults out of choice to save a few pence.

I think most bath 2 younger kids together.

Do you have a shower in your home?
Is this not more economical?

IveSeenTheLight

Graham_Devon wrote: »

But under all other circumstances I wouldn't really want to share bathwater with other adults out of choice to save a few pence.

Food for thought

http://www.athriftymrs.com/2012/03/quick-money-saving-tips.html

HOW TO SAVE MONEY ON BATHS


- Get someone to hop in after you or even bathe with your partner - you might need a larger bath though if your husband is 6ft 2 like Mr Thrifty.

- Leave the water in the bath after you get out. The warmth will heat your house for a little while.

- Use it to flush your toilet. After a bath I flush my toilet with half a bucket of water which saves up to 3 gallons of water.

- Clean out smelly outside drains by throwing 3 tbsp of borax down your drain followed by a bucket of your bath water.

- Water your plants, grass and trees, most of them don't mind a bit of soap or even your leg hair.

- If you're having a quick shower (i.e. only using a small amount of water) and you have a shower over the bath - pop the plug in during your shower and use the collected water for any of the tips above.

Do you/could you/would you share your bath water with someone else?

michaels

grizzly1911 wrote: »

Do you have a water meter installed? It concentrates the mind.

We tend to shower most of the time cleaner and uses less water/energy.

Off topic (even more off topic?) but didn't they do an actual lenth of shower rather than self-reported length of shower survey and find that showering actually uses more water on average than bathing?

IveSeenTheLight

michaels wrote: »

Off topic (even more off topic?) but didn't they do an actual lenth of shower rather than self-reported length of shower survey and find that showering actually uses more water on average than bathing?

Quick google

http://www.waterwise.org.uk/news.php/11/showers-vs.-baths-facts-figures-and-misconceptions

Showers vs. Baths: facts, figures and misconceptions
24 November 2011
Any opportunity to promote water efficiency in the media is welcomed by Waterwise. However, contrary to conclusions drawn from a recent study, baths are not necessarily more eco friendly than showers.
In addition to our own research on water efficiency any work done by other agencies and companies that contribute to the evidence base for water efficiency (and our understanding of how people use water in their homes) is valuable. But recent headlines suggesting that baths could be more eco-friendly than showers can easily be misunderstood; while it‟s true that power showers can use more water than a bath, most showers use significantly less water than baths.

According to the study, the average eight-minute shower used 62 litres of hot water, and some powershowers can use up to 136 litres, compared with an average bath's 80 litres.


Our own research showsthat a „waterwise shower‟ – getting the job done in four minutes under a water-efficient showerhead –uses just 32 litres. As well, new aerated, regulated or optimised showers can give the feel of a powershower without the wastage. Even four minutes under a water-inefficient power shower is still morewaterwise than the average bath.And using less water in the bathroom isn‟t just about the environment – there is a strong link betweenthe hot water you use and the size of your energy bill. From the dishwasher to the bathtub, saving watersaves money.iRegardless of whether you choose to shower or bath, there are simple ways to save yourself time, waterand money. For example:Fill up baths with just the amount of water you need – no need to fill right to the topShower or bathe with a friendInstall a water efficient showerhead – many are available for less than £30 – and the savings onyour water and energy bill mean you‟ll get that money back in less than a yearTake a shorter shower – by cutting a minute or two off the time you spend under the water – andyou can save yourself time and a few quid off your energy bill and more if you‟re on a watermeter.Jacob Tompkins Managing Director, Waterwise“The energy associated with heating water in the home is about 5 per cent of UK CO2 emissions and it'saround a quarter of energy bills. That‟s a big piece of our carbon footprint, and a big chunk of householdbills.""Switching from baths to showers generally saves water, as long as you‟re not installing a massivepower shower with a pump on"“Most people can enjoy a nice hot shower and get clean in 5 minutes. Any more time than that and it‟stime and money going down the drain.”
According to the study, the average eight-minute shower used 62 litres of hot water, and some power showers can use up to 136 litres, compared with an average bath's 80 litres. These findings have been widely reported - in the Daily Mail, The Independent and the BBC, among others.

Our own research shows that a 'waterwise shower' – getting the job done in four minutes under a water-efficient showerhead –uses just 32 litres.

As well, new aerated, regulated or optimised showers can give the feel of a powershower without the wastage. Even four minutes under a water-inefficient power shower is still morewaterwise than the average bath.And using less water in the bathroom isn‟t just about the environment – there is a strong link between the hot water you use and the size of your energy bill. From the dishwasher to the bathtub, saving water saves money.

Regardless of whether you choose to shower or bath, there are simple ways to save yourself time, water and money. For example:

* Fill up baths with just the amount of water you need – no need to fill right to the top
* Shower or bathe with a friend

* Install a water efficient showerhead – many are available for less than £30 – and the savings on your water and energy bill mean you'll get that money back in less than a year
* Take a shorter shower – by cutting two minutes off the time you spend under the water you can save about 40 quid off your combined energy and water bills annually if you're on a water meter. (And imagine what you could do with the extra 12 hours of time this would save you every year!)
- See more at: http://www.waterwise.org.uk/news.php/11/showers-vs.-baths-facts-figures-and-misconceptions#sthash.Rb8kj1ar.dpuf

Loughton_Monkey

michaels wrote: »

Off topic (even more off topic?) but didn't they do an actual lenth of shower rather than self-reported length of shower survey and find that showering actually uses more water on average than bathing?

In this house yes.

Mrs LM showers in water, but bathes in Champagne.

michaels

I mentioned an article where the BBC's definition of living in abject poverty did not tally with my own in post 4 merely to demonstrate why I take BBC output on 'struggling' families with a pinch of salt.

If MsK is around it would be great of she could split this thread in to two as I think the on topic part of the thread is worht discussing.