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Savvybuyer

I'm sure I'm taking my truth-telling too literally!:rotfl:

Society expects that you lie or at least not reveal the whole truth in at least some circumstances. Indeed, there are, arguably, many instances in which those who tell the 'truth' (perhaps whistle-blowers?) are penalised whilst those who do not are seemingly rewarded and get ahead. It does not always pay to tell the truth - in fact, I'd argue that anyone who has ever garnished a CV and, having got the job, never been discovered has almost certainly benefitted from that. Now imagine being with Asperger's, of putting honest truth in CVs, that thereby (as CVs are, in effect, marketing instruments for the applicants) makes them appear less suitable or experienced for the job (compared to an applicant who sort of not necessarily total outright lying but just slightly dressed it up better to sound better and appear to be more experienced to meet the job) and that, even assuming their "lesser", ungarnished CVs makes it in competition with others that are less likely to be, about the lacking of eye contact in interviews that thereby gives the (unfortunate?) impression that they are shifty. (Nothing could be the opposite of the case - and more than likely, in my view, explains why just 15% of people with autism have full time employment (source: http://www.autism.org.uk/undiscoveredworkforce). There's certainly no barb from me at the present time on this - being one of the lucky minority who has managed to have that kind of employment and for many years. But I don't believe job application processes* do ensure the best people for the job. Which is a shame since we are undoubtedly far better, more conscientious, attentive to detail, know-it-alls than any normal person could ever be and likely to concentrate on the job and not see workplaces as areas for social chit-chat and lack of working.)

:rotfl::rotfl:

Besides, regarding 'telling the truth, also shouldn't be forgotten that the "truth" itself is highly subjective and open to differing, perhaps equally valid, interpretations.



* They're to do with haphazard and random opinion formed by the different people who happen, on that day, at that time, to be considering (or not) the applications. I'm not necessarily arguing that there is or could be a better system, merely that it's all subjective based on human opinion, or human prejudice (which every one of us has).

fairclaire

Savvybuyer wrote: »

Oh it is!!

Tell the truth? If I posted about some graphic sexual encounter - that may well be, or have been, the total truth, I doubt many could handle that and I believe that this forum would deem the post 'inappropriate' and would delete it. That's society's ability to handle the truth.:)

It is a problem - it clearly is a problem in some circumstances (for various reasons, regardless of whether they may be rightly or not).

So true!! (pun intended ) not having the ability to be anything other than brutally honest can be be endearing at times, just as often it can cause real problems.
I have had many a red face with DS2 and his honest opinions. None more so than his being obsessed with how old people were phase. It got so bad I used to break out in a sweat if he spoke to an elderly person. He thought nothing of asking what age they were before proceeding to tell them they would die soon :eek:......or in some cases that they were lucky to still be alive at their age :eek::eek:

......how glad I was when he decided to move onto another obsession

HopePray

Don't suppose snakes are still hissing? :-)

Savvybuyer

Sunshinemummy wrote: »

I think many people of here would be quiet happy to hear this! But you are right there is some personal parts that are best not shared.... but I have trouble telling which parts!

I have come to the opinion, that I have no intention to offend, so if I offend I am happy to apologise, but not change who I am.

:p:p:p

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

That's so funny, because imagine people with Asperger's and their difficulty in understanding unwritten rules. Now - I'm assuming you don't have Asperger's, and yet even people without it struggle to tell what the standards are!:rotfl::D Supposedly 'their' (in general terms) own standards - standards created by people without Asperger's for people without Asperger's.

:huh:

Savvybuyer

fairclaire wrote: »

So true!! (pun intended ) not having the ability to be anything other than brutally honest can be be endearing at times, just as often it can cause real problems.
I have had many a red face with DS2 and his honest opinions. None more so than his being obsessed with how old people were phase. It got so bad I used to break out in a sweat if he spoke to an elderly person. He thought nothing of asking what age they were before proceeding to tell them they would die soon :eek:......or in some cases that they were lucky to still be alive at their age :eek::eek:

......how glad I was when he decided to move onto another obsession

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Oh, but those very things are also funny when you stand back much later and look back at it!

Glad "he decided to move onto another obsession". (Chuckle:);):).)

fairclaire

HopePray wrote: »

Don't suppose snakes are still hissing? :-)

No

s10ct

Dizzy_Ditzy

And there goes my peace and quiet

bubbs

fairclaire wrote: »

So true!! (pun intended ) not having the ability to be anything other than brutally honest can be be endearing at times, just as often it can cause real problems.
I have had many a red face with DS2 and his honest opinions. None more so than his being obsessed with how old people were phase. It got so bad I used to break out in a sweat if he spoke to an elderly person. He thought nothing of asking what age they were before proceeding to tell them they would die soon :eek:......or in some cases that they were lucky to still be alive at their age :eek::eek:

......how glad I was when he decided to move onto another obsession

Sorry FC but that made me:rotfl::rotfl: bet you wished the ground would swallow you up:o

bubbs

queen_of_cheap wrote: »

And there goes my peace and quiet

Misery guts back?:rotfl::rotfl:

Sunshinemummy

Savvybuyer wrote: »

I'm sure I'm taking my truth-telling too literally!:rotfl:

Society expects that you lie or at least not reveal the whole truth in at least some circumstances. Indeed, there are, arguably, many instances in which those who tell the 'truth' (perhaps whistle-blowers?) are penalised whilst those who do not are seemingly rewarded and get ahead. It does not always pay to tell the truth - in fact, I'd argue that anyone who has ever garnished a CV and, having got the job, never been discovered has almost certainly benefitted from that. Now imagine being with Asperger's, of putting honest truth in CVs, that thereby (as CVs are, in effect, marketing instruments for the applicants) makes them appear less suitable or experienced for the job (compared to an applicant who sort of not necessarily total outright lying but just slightly dressed it up better to sound better and appear to be more experienced to meet the job) and that, even assuming their "lesser", ungarnished CVs makes it in competition with others that are less likely to be, about the lacking of eye contact in interviews that thereby gives the (unfortunate?) impression that they are shifty. (Nothing could be the opposite of the case - and more than likely, in my view, explains why just 15% of people with Asperger's have full time employment. There's certainly no barb from me at the present time on this - being one of the lucky minority who has managed to have that kind of employment and for many years. But I don't believe job application processes* do ensure the best people for the job. Which is a shame since we are undoubtedly far better, more conscientious, attentive to detail, know-it-alls than any normal person could ever be and likely to concentrate on the job and not see workplaces as areas for social chit-chat and lack of working.)

:rotfl::rotfl:

Besides, regarding 'telling the truth, also shouldn't be forgotten that the "truth" itself is highly subjective and open to differing, perhaps equally valid, interpretations.



* They're to do with haphazard and random opinion formed by the different people who happen, on that day, at that time, to be considering (or not) the applications. I'm not necessarily arguing that there is or could be a better system, merely that it's all subjective based on human opinion, or human prejudice (which every one of us has).

Of course you are right, but it is a sad reflection of society and I hope people still aspire to tell the truth.