Planning Permission Question

HARSA

Hi Guys

it's me again. Have decided to bid for this property at auction . As you can see it's an old bungalow in need of complete modernisation and improvement

I intended to drop by my local council planning department to check if it's likey that planning will be granted to extend upwards to create 4 bedrooms as well as extend and make few changes to the ground floor.

The council website state that they will not entertain such discussion and that a full planning permission has to be submitted

The Bungalow is sandwich between two other bungalows with an empty field at the back

Can any planners or people here with such experience tell me if it's possible to extend upwards. There is plenty of land to extend at ground level but I prefer for the bedrooms to be upstairs

this is the house;
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-43756037.html?premiumA=true

floor and plot plan;

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-43756037.html?premiumA=true

I want to check all these before bidding for the property.

Many thanks in advance

anselld

Planners can be difficult about raising the ridge height of the roof, particularly if it would be above other properties in the area. Also the roof pitch looks rather low for doing much of a loft conversion under permitted development.
So I think you will find it difficult to get a definate answer prior to auction.

Doozergirl

I agree with above. If the other properties are of similar roof height then the planners will be reluctant to approve - changes need to match the character. By the time you've done that and messed with the internal downstairs walls, you as well knock it down and start from scratch. It's not the most architecturally inspired house.

You don't have the height for a loft conversion.

Personally, I wouldn't risk it based on what I can see and wanting to build upwards.

Looking at the plot, the sensible place for extension is probably ground floor at the front as the building line sits forward of the house. That would need PP.

HARSA

Thanks very much for your input guys – really appreciated

I agree that extending it at the front should be possible. Just another point it is just the properties on each side that are bungalows. Other than that there are only two other bungalows on the same road the rest are all two storey detached and terrace houses.
If the property is not extendable upwards to you think it can be easily converted in 4 bedrooms, a study, a large kitchen /dinner and a utility room?

Doozergirl

With the clever use of rooflights, roof lanterns and budget(!) anything is possible.

What do you expect it to go for? What's your total budget for buying it and building it to the right size house for you?

kie-ade

Any increase in roof size would depend on the design & dominance of the proposal but it's probably unlikely that consent would be granted to raise the ridge height substantially more than the neighbouring buildings (although you can never say for sure).
The existing roof does look too low for a conversion but the bungalow next door looks higher, & has roof lights, so does this have a conversion? This could give an opportunity to provide a higher new roof with some accommodation above but a whole new first floor seems very unlikely.
It does look like there is some scope to extend at the front although the site does taper & you would probably need to maintain the minimum parking requirements.
Please bear in mind I've never dealt with this Local Authority, or know the area and only have this limited information upon which to give an opinion.......but I hope it is of some help.

HARSA

I am prepared to pay up to 160 and a budget of100k to do tthe work

If I were toget it ch eaper then the money will be usedin the build work. So in total 260k

Obviously going to get quotes from builders after a full surveyhas been carried out.

It will be nice to have the bedrooms upstairs but can live with having them downstairs if I can not get planning permission.

Regarding the low roof it there no chance of having a single master bedroom loft conversion. That way the children bed rooms can be downstairs

HARSA

kie-ade wrote: »

Any increase in roof size would depend on the design & dominance of the proposal but it's probably unlikely that consent would be granted to raise the ridge height substantially more than the neighbouring buildings (although you can never say for sure).
The existing roof does look too low for a conversion but the bungalow next door looks higher, & has roof lights, so does this have a conversion? This could give an opportunity to provide a higher new roof with some accommodation above but a whole new first floor seems very unlikely.
It does look like there is some scope to extend at the front although the site does taper & you would probably need to maintain the minimum parking requirements.
Please bear in mind I've never dealt with this Local Authority, or know the area and only have this limited information upon which to give an opinion.......but I hope it is of some help.

Thanks very much. There is plenty of land in the front to extend and still have enough space to park two or three cars.

Also I plan on knocking down the gara ge in front of the house.

Waterlily24

We had the same sort of problem when we wanted to extend. We live in what's classed as countryside so I think the rules are a bit stricter.

We first put plans in for a fairly large extension but keeping it as a bungalow. It was an l shaped bungalow and we wanted to sqaure it off and put another bit on the side. This meant that the shortest walls were quite long so the top of the roof was high. So they refused us planning permission because of the roof height. We submitted a couple more but they were refused as well. Now this might make you laugh, in the end they accepted plans for a chalet bungalow and the roof was the same height as the first set of plans. We really wanted to keep it as a bungalow because of my husbands leg problems but that doesn't seem to matter to them. Luckily we were able to have the master bedroom downstairs.

Fuzzyness

the character of hte properites on the rest of the street are a mixture of bungalows and two storey houses so from a character perspective things are mixed. if all the houses were bungalows you'd have more of a problem. in terms of whether you'll get planning permission or not thats the million dollar question. on the face of it i think you could present a case that would stand you a good chance of getting it.

main concenr is the relationship between the bungalow and the house just to the left as you look at them both, which has roof lights.

dont get sucked in by an architect promising you the world either.

onlyroz

Their concerns will be:

- Are the changes in line with the "character" of the street (e.g. if the street has a "mixed" profile of bungalows, houses and apartment blocks then your chances are greater)
- Do the changes impinge on neighbouring properties with respect to blocking out light and privacy
- Is there sufficient space for the extra parking spaces required and would this result in any highway safety issues?

Also, in general extensions to the rear are looked upon much more favourably than extensions to the front. You are also unlikely to be allowed to increase the roof height.