Planning Permission Question

Fuzzyness

i'd disagree about not being allowed to increase the roof height. just because its flanked on both sides by bungalows the whole street isnt single storey. as long at the proposals wont impact adversely on the neighbouring properties in terms of overbearing or loss light/amenity then there is a case to be made and it shouldnt be discounted completey.

lincroft1710

If it is likely the planners would agree to a FF extension or a "demolition and erection of new 2 storey dwelling", you'll probably have competition from developers at the auction.

I've seen so many bungalows either extended upwards or demolished and replaced by a much larger house, I doubt PP would not be granted. There is always the appeal process if you're turned down.

HARSA

I wasn't expecting so many responses and very constructive I must add.

I am definitely going to bid for it in facthas alre ady contactedtthe auction house and offered 123k.I was told there was a good interest in the property.

I think it willgo lot higher than guide price of 100-120k. Bearing in mind thatI have max 260k how much should I offer or bid? Do you think 100k will be near enough?

Also as people are putting in offers is it possibletthat I can be accepted pre auction date and therefore pulled out of the auction.

I am just about to pay over £500 in survey fee and don't want to lose my money by the property being withdrawn.

I can stand losing £500 of even £ 1000 including solicitors fee if I lose out at the auction or the mortgage fails through. But not by the auction house accepting an offer and withdrawing the property.

Is this a possibility?

Once again thank you all for your posts

RAS

Have you checked that you can even get a mortgage on the property? And what the maximum value would be?

Have you checked whether the existing foundations would support a second story?

Although the plot is much smaller than the two properties either side, you might actually find it easier to incorporate the existing garage and extend that way?

Have you been on-line or to the planning offices and checked out all the plans for the two adjecent properties?

HARSA

RAS wrote: »

Have you checked that you can even get a mortgage on the property? And what the maximum value would be?

Have you checked whether the existing foundations would support a second story?

Although the plot is much smaller than the two properties either side, you might actually find it easier to incorporate the existing garage and extend that way?

Have you been on-line or to the planning offices and checked out all the plans for the two adjecent properties?

Good call to check the planning permission four the bungalow next door. The one that sold for £350k back in July this year. That clearly was extended.

I have mortgage up to 225k and can raise between 60-80k towards the deposit from savings.

I heard back on my offer of 123k they said that they have receive seve ral offers in excess of that.

Few monts ago a property on the same road at the end of the junction was marketed for £180k it was a tiny 2 bed cottage in Need of work. It sold within few weeks to sell. It is not land registrysold proper ties yet..

HARSA

I am in the process of paying for the survey. Once mortgage has been accepted then I will get builders to give me a quote on work needed.

The guy at the auction has confirmed that 140k is the highest they have received. So I have offered 145k

Davesnave

RAS wrote: »

Have you checked whether the existing foundations would support a second story?

An important point, and there's no easy way of knowing, if the original builder's plans aren't available.

I had to dig trial pits to answer this very question.

The planning officer was not keen to let us go up, but there was a record of a previous meeting where one of their officers (now retired!) suggested we should. :doh:

Our plans were passed, but the warning not to let architects promise too much is also relevant. When we started to price up the build, we discovered that while the foundations were OK, there was quite a bit of expensive steel work involved. Also, we realised how much wasted space there would be at the eaves.

In the end, we threw out that plan and drew up another, giving more space for less complication.

de_g.

I think the issue is probably, "Am I likely to get planning permission?". Under permitted development rules, you cannot extend beyond the plan of the existing roof slope to the main frontage without planning permission - see http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/100806_PDforhouseholders_TechnicalGuidance.pdf

As to whether you'll get permission, in a quick five-minute scan I cannot find anything immediately in the Lichfield Local Plan and saved policies which gives much clue either way. I'd suggest trying again with the planning officers, taking with you an architect and a few sketches of what you think you might want to do.

Planning Portal advice on pre=application discussions is here: http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/planning/applications/howtoapply/preappadvice

HARSA

DEG thanks for the links - I am reading the pdf now.

I have decided to conclude the whole process in this order. Please correct me if you think I am missing something or have got my priorities in the wrong order


1. Contact lender regarding mortgage:

Ø At advanced stage- paid £496 today for valuationwhich also includes a full structural survey. Provided solicitor details too

Ø Will be contacted by another team tomorrow forpay slips and other supporting evidence

2. Property:

Ø Contacted auctioneer today and offered 145K thishas been passed on to client and will find out tomorrow if my offer has beenaccepted. I will sign and pay 10% deposit if agreed so that property is takenoff their auction list. I will only do so if the survey returns okay or anyidentified fault(s) is fixable and the bank are happy with the survey and stillprepared to lend me the money.

Ø If offer is not accepted then wait for theauction date and go and see if I can get the property at my budgeted price.Provided if the property is still available.

My contact at Halifax says that it takes them 10 workingdays to process the application and ready to release the funds. Solicitor saidthat 28 days is doable and I promised a bonus payment if he can deliver within28 days. I will also try and convince the auctioneer and his client to allow metwo more weeks to conclude;

Well if all that fails then I lose my 10% deposit, surveyfees and solicitor’s fee. Guess I then have to pick myself up then J

HARSA

Just thought to give you an update.

Today was viewing day and as some of you pointed out the bungalow is a complete mess. It was occupied until 6 months ago by a drunk who was more interested in getting hammered all the time than maintaining the property. These were the just some of the faults;

1) a big hole in the one of the bedroom ceiling so problem with the roof
2) a big hole in the floor board in he other bedroom - they reckon that it was water from the washing machine
3) again floor board in the conservatory had a hole.
4) the whole bungalow stank - took over an hr for it to leave the back of my throat

Who ever buys it has to pull the whole building down and rebuild.

Here is where it got interesting. The neighbour next door with the windows on the roof tiles was there trying to guage what people impressions and plans were for the property. Making it very clear that how his wife who wasn't there hated houses and will not allow any house been built there. They will support a knock down or and renovation and extension but it has to remain a bungalow.

You would have thoiught that it's his Mrs who makes the final decision at the the planning council committee - although he did have a point.

My conclusion is that the property is not worth the 145K I offered. A lot of people who turned up at the viewing will be put off by the state of the bungalow. The ones like myself who were expecting to buy with a mortgage can forget it as no lender will lend on the state the property is in.

You have to be a property developer who is ready to knock it down and rebuild a bungalow as the neighbour's wife is demanding.

Now this has not put me off at all but not for £145k. I intend going to the auction and be a cash buyer using savings and shares but has to be within the guide price or less.

Over the coming days I will be starting new threads to pick your brains on things. I hope I have the same responses as on the thread.

I thank every one who has contributed