Apcoa parking contravention charge notice

romitomi

So the Popla appeal letter:

"APPEAL RE: PPC Name CHARGE ******/******,*********
CAR PARK **/**/2013, VEHICLE REG: **** ***

I am the registered Keeper of the above vehicle and I am appealing against above charge. I contend that I am not liable for the parking charge on the following grounds and would ask that they are all considered.

As I explained my points in the appeal letter to APCOA i do it here too.



As i understand the situation,if you park down a car on that bay and if the driver does not have any change,the closest place is the train station for changing money.So the driver have to leave the car and walk away from the car,easily miss the sign on the ground as most of the signs are covered by the end of the long car.

On the way back the same scenario no visible signs anywhere as some letters on the ground covered.

You got your tickets purchased from the ticket machine closest to train station in the car park,placing on the dash clearly visible.

Walk to town,come back later PCN on windscreen.

Confused driver as ticket still easily visible and still in time.

PCN says No Valid Permit

Was not clear that the bay is for Permit holders,there is NO CLEAR SIGNAGE.

There is NO SIGN on eye level if you parking in that bay.

Easily missable for any drivers.

Regards
xx

So briefly that would be my appeal to Popla,never done this before,i can accept this is quite a "simple" appeal,dont see the point to using others templates,however if anyone has any idea how to adjust what to put in or take out,just please FEEL FREE to do it.

Looking for your helps.

Thanx

Coupon-mad

You need to chuck that one in the bin (sorry) unless you really want to snatch defeat from the jaws of certain victory.

Read 'How to win at POPLA' in the 'Newbies read this first!' sticky thread. Big, big difference in the wording of a winning POPLA appeal as you will see. No posters have ever done it before but when they see the examples, the penny drops. We win 100% of POPLA appeals and you can too. The point of using other templates is that those WIN, whereas a description of 'what happened' and 'mitigation' at POPLA, loses.

Guys_Dad

Also include that the BPA guidelines say that a discount of 40% should be offered for a discount and their charge is not compliant.

Use some of the appeal points from here and copy the style https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4816165

The_Slithy_Tove

romitomi wrote: »

As I explained my points in the appeal letter to APCOA i do it here too.

And you will fail just the same as your first appeal - only this time it matters!

romitomi wrote: »

dont see the point to using others templates

The point is that your appeal WILL FAIL, whereas the tried and tested arguments you'll find in the various templates and stickies will succeed.

kirkbyinfurnesslad_2

Sorry that appeal is just awful.will fail and was a waste of time.

Read round what works and start again from scratch. No mitigation or anything that happened on the day

romitomi

Thanx for the replays..

Tried once again.

All opinions welcome..:)


I am the Registered Keeper of the vehicle related to the parking charge notice received.


I have researched the matter and would like to point out the following:


UNCLEAR, INADEQUATE AND NON-COMPLIANT SIGNAGE

Due to their position, overall size and the barely legible size of the print, the signs in this car park are very hard to read, understand and no notices at all are positioned in to individual bays on eye level.

I contend that the signs and any core parking terms (PPC) are relying upon were not obvious for any driver to see, read or understand. I request that POPLA check the Operator's evidence and signage map/photos on this point and compare the signs to the BPA Code of Practice requirements. I contend that the signs on this land ( position, clarity) do not comply and fail to properly warn/inform the driver of the terms and any consequences for breach.





Inappropriate parking charge
The demand for a payment of £75 as noted within the Parking Charge is a punitive amount that has no relationship to the loss that would have been suffered by the Landowner. The BPA code of practice states:


If the parking charge that the driver is being asked to pay
is for a breach of contract or act of trespass, this charge
must be based on the genuine pre-estimate of loss that
you suffer.

If your parking charge is based upon a contractually
agreed sum, that charge cannot be punitive or
unreasonable


Just to make it clear valid ticket purchased and placed on the dash.


The £75 charge asked for, far exceeds the cost to the landowner who would have charged me £3. for the time my car was parked there. The £72 difference between the parking charge and the parking charge notice cannot be construed as anything but a punitive penalty. In the appeal Apcoa did not address this issue, and has not stated why they feel a £75 charge is an appropriate pre-estimate of loss. For this charge to be justified a full breakdown of the costs Apcoa has suffered as a result of the car being parked at the car park is required and should add up to £75. Normal expenditure the company incurs to carry on their business (e.g. provision of parking, parking enforcement or signage erection) should not be included in the breakdown, as these operational costs would have been suffered irrespective of the car being parked at that car park.


Prompt payment discount not 40% less


If prompt payment is made, you must offer a reduced
payment to reflect your reduced costs in collecting the
charge. The reduction in cost should be by at least 40% of
the full charge. ‘Prompt payment’ is defined as 14 days from
the date the driver or the keeper received the notice.


The discount that CPP offered for payment within 14 days was £50, 40% off of £75 is £45, a difference to the £50 offered.




I would contend that this appeal should be allowed for these reasons.

Stroma

Your appeal is all over the place, and sorry the assessor will be scratching their heads on this, look at this thread by Guy so you can see how to structure the appeal and what to use

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4816165

yggypop

Hi just a few line I have also had a ticket because i/we(4 people) failed to see the "premiere bay" marking on the asphalt.
It was a courtesy car and I should have just ignore it.
Instead I wrote to Apcoa saying that I was the driver (do'h)and the appeal has now been rejected.
Now I only got POPLA to save me.

Any feedback for appeals to popla because of the premiere bay parking in st albans station?

I thank you in advance.

fisherjim

yggypop wrote: »

Hi just a few line I have also had a ticket because i/we(4 people) failed to see the "premiere bay" marking on the asphalt.
It was a courtesy car and I should have just ignore it.
Instead I wrote to Apcoa saying that I was the driver (do'h)and the appeal has now been rejected.
Now I only got POPLA to save me.

Any feedback for appeals to popla because of the premiere bay parking in st albans station?

I thank you in advance.

You need to start your own thread not hijack and this old one and start by reading the advice on this thread on page one> https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4816822

yggypop

how to start new thread?