What rights, if any,does a 17 year old have when fired?

Takeaway_Addict

19lottie82 wrote: »

I got sacked from my weekend job in a newsagent when I was 13 for eating a penny sweet when I was transferring the big tubs into the display trays.

I thought this was pretty harsh, and still do, especially as I had been there for a year and had never been late or done anything wrong, but at the end of the day it was still theft, so I can't really argue.

See it from the employers view, if you are willing to nick a penny sweet what else have you nicked and what else would you nick.

Employer is reducing their risk wisely.

getmore4less

Treevo wrote: »

Not in a probationary period, it wouldn't.

She was late, she was fired. Seems fair enough to me.

depends what the contract says subject to statutory mins which cannot be reduced.

Faith177

bluenoseam wrote: »

I don't see why - unless there is a genuine reason (and "the bus was late" isn't a genuine reason) then there's no excuse for being late. Being on time is an absolute must, failing to do that isn't acceptable when there's no valid reason for being late - for example freak weather conditions or a mode of transport suffering mechanical failure. Missing a bus which will get you to work on time just shows a lack of planning & ability to allow for contingency!

How is the bus was late not a genuine reason?

I have had to complain to tfl 20 times in the last 3 months due to the buses running late. In fact tonight I had to wait 20 minutes for a bus when there is meant to be 1 every 10 minutes. When my bus finally arrived another pulled up 1 minute later.

In one of my first jobs our manager docked our commission 25% every time we were late often I received no commission at all

bluenoseam

Faith177 wrote: »

How is the bus was late not a genuine reason?

I have had to complain to tfl 20 times in the last 3 months due to the buses running late. In fact tonight I had to wait 20 minutes for a bus when there is meant to be 1 every 10 minutes. When my bus finally arrived another pulled up 1 minute later.

In one of my first jobs our manager docked our commission 25% every time we were late often I received no commission at all

Because if your bus is 20 minutes late and it causes you to be late, it's showing that you really should be taking the bus earlier - even if you're sitting around in the staff room for 10-20m before a shift starts it's better than being late. As someone who hates being late it's demoralising to watch people constantly come in late and it sails because a "bus/train was late". If the weather is hellish or there's been a pileup then sure, that's reasonable, but because you decide not to leave sufficient lee-way nah that's not cool.

It's also the same with those guys who go on lunch bang on the dot but are 5 minutes late back!

:mad:

/endrant

Faith177

bluenoseam wrote: »

Because if your bus is 20 minutes late and it causes you to be late, it's showing that you really should be taking the bus earlier - even if you're sitting around in the staff room for 10-20m before a shift starts it's better than being late. As someone who hates being late it's demoralising to watch people constantly come in late and it sails because a "bus/train was late". If the weather is hellish or there's been a pileup then sure, that's reasonable, but because you decide not to leave sufficient lee-way nah that's not cool.

It's also the same with those guys who go on lunch bang on the dot but are 5 minutes late back!

:mad

/endrant

I already leave the house at 7 to be in work for 9 I have to travel 15 miles to get into work and get a bus and train. I don't see how much more lee-way I should give. If I leave my home by 7 ill normally be in work for 8:15.

This week alone I had I wait for an hour for my train yesterday and 35 minutes today.

If my bus is 20 mins late that means I get caught in the rush hour which means a bus journey that usually takes 20-30 minutes can take as long as 90 especially if there is an accident on one of the 3 major roads into London near me.

I also hate being late but sometimes things happen that are beyond your control and public transport is often one of them

Nicki

It's not your employers fault though that you choose to live where you do. If the journey by public transport is too complicated, you either need to move or make other arrangements.

You say your bus has been late 20 times in 3 months. That is about a third of the time. If you are only on time for work 60-70% of the time that is appalling and I am surprised your employer accepts this, even if you do attribute it to the bus.

You also said in a previous job, presumably with a different journey to work, you were late so often your pay was regularly docked so it sounds like punctuality for work just isn't a priority for you.

AP007

bluenoseam wrote: »

Because if your bus is 20 minutes late and it causes you to be late, it's showing that you really should be taking the bus earlier - even if you're sitting around in the staff room for 10-20m before a shift starts it's better than being late. As someone who hates being late it's demoralising to watch people constantly come in late and it sails because a "bus/train was late". If the weather is hellish or there's been a pileup then sure, that's reasonable, but because you decide not to leave sufficient lee-way nah that's not cool.

It's also the same with those guys who go on lunch bang on the dot but are 5 minutes late back!

:mad:

/endrant

If TFL kept to a timetable less people would be late and its a bit pointless saying get the bus or tube or train before when they are cancelled and the one before never turned up either.

But on the point of lunches running over that is the persons fault as they know the time was say 1pm when they went and 2.20pm when they came back. Different to being late I think in the morning as its on purpose.

Nicki

AP007 wrote: »

If TFL kept to a timetable less people would be late and its a bit pointless saying get the bus or tube or train before when they are cancelled and the one before never turned up either.

But on the point of lunches running over that is the persons fault as they know the time was say 1pm when they went and 2.20pm when they came back. Different to being late I think in the morning as its on purpose.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/media/newscentre/metro/27833.aspx

I live in London too, and its ridiculous to say that the tubes are so unreliable that people who leave enough time to get to work, together with a decent margin of error, should be very regularly late for work.

As the most recent statistics for the whole year show, 97% of all tube journeys undertaken last year were not subject to delays of any kind.

Tiddlywinks

erznmine wrote: »

My 17 year old is a FT college student.

She had a job interview 4 weeks ago. Following this interview they asked her to do a trial day working. She did this and got offered the job-just working weekends and any days she may have a day off college.

Her contract was for a trial period of 8 weeks.

She was late into work Saturday(I have yet to establish how late she was-she says 5 minutes). She has received an email today saying she is fired due to being late and not to come back to work.

She is now worried she wont get paid for the hours she has done as pay day is not until the end of the month. She is also upset she wasn't given a warning instead but I guess when you are on a trial period you don't have that option?

Im a bit worried as she has had employment issues before whereby she wasn't being given lunch breaks...sometimes I think employers try to take advantage of young workers of this age. Obviously I don't know the full facts, at this time we are all shocked and disappointed as she was doing well.

Also, should she be getting paid for her trial day-she worked 10-4pm on a sunday.
thanks

Look at it from the employer's perspective... She has only just started a weekend only job... that's 2 days a week for the last 4 weeks... not great is it? Being late on your seventh day? How do you know she hasn't already received a warning?

You only have her word that it was 5 minutes. You also say she had trouble with a previous employer... Do you think maybe your DD needs to understand the rules of work?

Tiddlywinks

erznmine wrote: »

She was late into work Saturday(I have yet to establish how late she was-she says 5 minutes). She has received an email today saying she is fired due to being late and not to come back to work.

Out of interest how do you intend to 'establish' how late she actually was?

I hope you're not intending to contact the employer. That would be wholly inappropriate.