EE's degraded service and coverage - time to leave after 15 years?

diamonds

ZhugeEX wrote: »

I'm still not sure why you think networks in the UK should be investing in 2G and not 4G. If you want I can supply you with some white papers regarding 4G and VoLTE for you to read through?

Thanks but no thanks, I have much more important things to do with my time.

d123

ZhugeEX wrote: »

If you want I can supply you with some white papers regarding 4G and VoLTE for you to read through?

ZhugeEX, you would probably be wasting your time, he likes to rant with very little actual knowledge, he isn't going to change now and actually get some real info on the subject before posting about it again .

diamonds

ZhugeEX wrote: »

I don't disagree with that. There has been a number of cases where signal has decreased or gone in a number of areas.

But overall in the UK, EE are still the best. Especially outside towns and cities where you'll struggle to get 3G on O2 or Vodafone.



Wi-Fi calling isn't an app anymore. It'll be integrated into the firmware which should provide a better experience than Three's inTouch or O2's TUGO. Similar to T-Mobile in the USA.

BT & Virgin provide the backhaul. MBNL are currently upgrading all their sites to GigE and turn on 4G when this is done. It leads to a better experience overall.

A massive number of areas!


Its neither yet.... it is not available on EE.




It does not, on EE and 3 on 4G speeds were poor as hell for me, Scotland, England, London and Glasgow. I get better speeds on EE on 3G, even when 4G is available lol...




Leaving Orange as retail and T-Mobile online (unlimited data) or vice versa would have been more useful for customers knowing they were roaming on the other network as a perk, rebranding EE has just confused matters, the customer and signal reported by EE as expected.


I at home use T-Mobile as a manual lockdown, its poor but not as bad as Orange coming and going signal.


But the O/T maps separate and together rebranded as EE show I have perfect signal, codswallop marketing.




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diamonds

d123 wrote: »

ZhugeEX, you would probably be wasting your time, he likes to rant with very little actual knowledge, he isn't going to change now and actually get some real info on the subject before posting about it again .

Welcome thanks for your point of view.
As immature as it is...

d123

diamonds wrote: »

It does not, on EE and 3 on 4G speeds were poor as hell for me, Scotland, England, London and Glasgow. I get better speeds on EE on 3G, even when 4G is available lol...

Maybe you need to buy a 4G capable phone and try again. There are significant differences in speed between 3G and 4G.

Unless you can post up a screenshot showing your use of 3G at a higher speed?

ZhugeEX

diamonds wrote: »

Thanks but no thanks, I have much more important things to do with my time.

No worries.

In my job it helps to know this stuff hence why I read up on it.

I guess you're going to have to trust me on this one that investing in VoLTE is much better than investing in 2G. Ofc networks like EE are still investing in their 2G refresh but not to the point where they forget about 4G.

I agree with you about the whole branding thing. That was a mess.

ZhugeEX

Hi everyone.

Me again. Just wanted to slightly correct the numbers I posted last time. Some of you may remember that I said EE have completed their network optimisation plan. Turns out this was half true. I was told last year that it would be done by the end of 2014 but it turns out they delayed it a little bit longer as they are still keeping a few legacy orange sites on whilst other sites in the area are either being built, upgraded or integrated. We should see the remaining ex-Orange sites be decommissioned very shortly, once the other duplicate sites are on and upgraded.

EE originally announced that they would be decommissioning a total of ~9,000 ex-Orange sites and integrating the rest into MBNL, This number was reduced to around ~8,450. The Orange sites that remain will be upgraded with new equipment and be integrated into MBNL before the end of 2015.

There are around just under 600 Orange sites that need to be decommissioned still and will be soon. These sites are only plugging the gap for duplicate sites that are yet to be upgraded or are not built yet. These 600 sites will be switched off and a difference in coverage should not be noticed due to the new upgraded site replacing it.

Please take a look below for detailed break down of the number of masts removed.

Number of sites decommissioned:
2012 - 2,659
2013 - 3,351
2014 - 1,855

Total decommissioned: 7,865
Total left to decommission: ~590

(Correct as of Jan 1st 2015)

EE are going to be rolling out some pretty great stuff in 2015 starting with their 800MHz spectrum. This low frequency spectrum will be used in rural areas to expand 4G coverage and will compliment the current 1800MHz roll out that is currently going on. EE will also be launching VoLTE next year with SRVCC. What this means is that you'll be able to make calls when on 4G and seamlessly drop down to 3G/2G should you move out of a 4G area.

EE are also rolling out 2600MHz which is being combined with 1800MHz spectrum. This will provide speeds up to 300Mbps and is being branded as 4G+ or LTE-Advanced worldwide. Wi-Fi calling is also on the list for 2015 and will launch for iOS and Android early in the new year.

EE continues to lead the way in 4G with over 84% population coverage and over 8 million 4G subscribers. In fact EE accounts for 40% of all 4G subscribers in the UK and are also the largest 4G network in Europe with a 12% share. Over 90% of EE's customers are choosing a 4G package when signing up and with the huge amount of legacy customers on T-Mobile and Orange it is clear that EE's 4G subscriber base will continue to grow at a faster rate in 2015, especially now that Orange and T-Mobile are being discontinued.

Here is the original post where I said over 8,200 had been decommissioned already, I was wrong about that. Apologies. Only ~7865 so far with another ~590 to go

d123

ZhugeEX wrote: »

Hi everyone.

Me again. Just wanted to slightly correct the numbers I posted last time. Some of you may remember that I said EE have completed their network optimisation plan. Turns out this was half true. I was told last year that it would be done by the end of 2014 but it turns out they delayed it a little bit longer as they are still keeping a few legacy orange sites on whilst other sites in the area are either being built, upgraded or integrated. We should see the remaining ex-Orange sites be decommissioned very shortly, once the other duplicate sites are on and upgraded.

EE originally announced that they would be decommissioning a total of ~9,000 ex-Orange sites and integrating the rest into MBNL, This number was reduced to around ~8,450. The Orange sites that remain will be upgraded with new equipment and be integrated into MBNL before the end of 2015.

There are around just under 600 Orange sites that need to be decommissioned still and will be soon. These sites are only plugging the gap for duplicate sites that are yet to be upgraded or are not built yet. These 600 sites will be switched off and a difference in coverage should not be noticed due to the new upgraded site replacing it.

Please take a look below for detailed break down of the number of masts removed.

Number of sites decommissioned:
2012 - 2,659
2013 - 3,351
2014 - 1,855

Total decommissioned: 7,865
Total left to decommission: ~590

(Correct as of Jan 1st 2015)

EE are going to be rolling out some pretty great stuff in 2015 starting with their 800MHz spectrum. This low frequency spectrum will be used in rural areas to expand 4G coverage and will compliment the current 1800MHz roll out that is currently going on. EE will also be launching VoLTE [STRIKE]next year[/STRIKE] this year with SRVCC. What this means is that you'll be able to make calls when on 4G and seamlessly drop down to 3G/2G should you move out of a 4G area.

EE are also rolling out 2600MHz which is being combined with 1800MHz spectrum. This will provide speeds up to 300Mbps and is being branded as 4G+ or LTE-Advanced worldwide. Wi-Fi calling is also on the list for 2015 and will launch for iOS and Android early in the new year.

EE continues to lead the way in 4G with over 84% population coverage and over 8 million 4G subscribers. In fact EE accounts for 40% of all 4G subscribers in the UK and are also the largest 4G network in Europe with a 12% share. Over 90% of EE's customers are choosing a 4G package when signing up and with the huge amount of legacy customers on T-Mobile and Orange it is clear that EE's 4G subscriber base will continue to grow at a faster rate in 2015, especially now that Orange and T-Mobile are being discontinued.

Here is the original post where I said over 8,200 had been decommissioned already, I was wrong about that. Apologies. Only ~7865 so far with another ~590 to go

A slip of the keyboard I think? Are you still in 2014 in your head or has VoLTE really slipped that far?

ZhugeEX

d123 wrote: »

A slip of the keyboard I think? Are you still in 2014 in your head or has VoLTE really slipped that far?

Yup, this year.

Apologies for the typo.