New job and depression

TrickyWicky

@jacques: Look arguing aside, are YOU personally willing to guarantee the op their monthly wages if the job falls through after they delcare their depression?

If you're not, stop telling them honesty is the best policy etc. If you are, go right ahead and be prepared to start signing cheques every month. As I've pointed out many times, it's fine telling the op to be honest when it's not your own job at risk as you won't suffer the consequences. I have advised based on real life experience not your idealisms.

I've done both - the honest and dishonest thing. The last dishonest job lasted much longer than the honest one. I've applied for many jobs being honest and never got one of them yet being dishonest I've been successful many times.

scooby088

TrickyWicky wrote: »

@jacques: Look arguing aside, are YOU personally willing to guarantee the op their monthly wages if the job falls through after they delcare their depression?

If you're not, stop telling them honesty is the best policy etc. If you are, go right ahead and be prepared to start signing cheques every month. As I've pointed out many times, it's fine telling the op to be honest when it's not your own job at risk as you won't suffer the consequences. I have advised based on real life experience not your idealisms.

I've done both - the honest and dishonest thing. The last dishonest job lasted much longer than the honest one. I've applied for many jobs being honest and never got one of them yet being dishonest I've been successful many times.

There maybe concerns over the OP's physical health more than their MH as they were also turned down for a job because of a back operation, in my mind that would be more relevant than the OP's depression. For whatever reason the OP still may get the offer withdrawn, hence why they were a bit hasty giving notice in their current employment. Once the checks had come back and the OP given a start date and offer in writing then I would have given in my notice.

BJV

TrickyWicky wrote: »

@jacques: Look arguing aside, are YOU personally willing to guarantee the op their monthly wages if the job falls through after they delcare their depression?

If you're not, stop telling them honesty is the best policy etc. If you are, go right ahead and be prepared to start signing cheques every month. As I've pointed out many times, it's fine telling the op to be honest when it's not your own job at risk as you won't suffer the consequences. I have advised based on real life experience not your idealisms.

I've done both - the honest and dishonest thing. The last dishonest job lasted much longer than the honest one. I've applied for many jobs being honest and never got one of them yet being dishonest I've been successful many times.

Are you going to personally guarantee their wage if they lie and get found out?

We have all had kicks in the teeth. In fact I started my company because my old boss at my dream job was following me! Started being very nasty when I made it clear that i was happily married. mmm not nice. Very scary. Did I have a lot of problems dealing with it yes!

I suppose that is why I am so different with my staff. We do not take things for granted. We work as a team and not one person me included is treated differently. The team does well we all do well and visa versa.

I have never sacked someone for calling in to tell me that they where out the night before, hung over and got up late. I have for telling me a pack of lies.

Not sure why you have such a downer on employers. They are just human beings just like everyone else.

There are good straight up ones and there are other. Just like there are good member of the workforce and there are others.

Also have you never wondered why when you got a job dishonestly you are not still there?

OP you do what you want. It is your job, your future but for my two pennies worth, I would tell them if they ask. I would not go out of my way to hide them or edit it out.

I would much prefer someone who is open and honest but hey guess that is just me.

TrickyWicky

BJV wrote: »

Are you going to personally guarantee their wage if they lie and get found out?

You're assuming they'll be found out.

BJV wrote: »

I have never sacked someone for calling in to tell me that they where out the night before, hung over and got up late.

Seriously, how many people have ever rung you up and called in with that excuse? - I really don't see anyone ever doing that to be totally honest.

BJV wrote: »

I have for telling me a pack of lies.

Many employers would however as long as the op is straight with everything else, the employer has no genuine lawful way to find out about the ops mental health concerns.

BJV wrote: »

Not sure why you have such a downer on employers. They are just human beings just like everyone else.

I'm not naturally. I start every job with a positive upbeat can-do attitude. In one of them I was driving 50 odd miles every weekend for them - and all i got was ****. I literally went the extra mile for them time after time at no expense to them and did it to get them out of a hole. Unfortunately there are companies who will use and abuse that. They'll see that member of staff as weak and easy pickings and then abuse that person.

When one of the trouble makers is related to the boss, you're bl**dy done for and there is no way you're going to convince them of anything different. The best you can do is just hang in and keep working through the hell the nasty little b*tch throws at you.

BJV wrote: »

There are good straight up ones and there are other. Just like there are good member of the workforce and there are others.

I used to believe that once, these days I don't. When the employee develops health problems enployers turn nasty.

BJV wrote: »

Also have you never wondered why when you got a job dishonestly you are not still there?

No not really because I walked. I never got the sack, wasn't asked to leave, I walked of my own free will. Do I regret that? Financially yes but mentally no. I will not be bullied because I am not lucky with my health.

Two4Tuesday

I'll second TrickyWicky's sentiment. I lied about my health problems to get a job - there's no way I would have got the job otherwise.

I was never found out, and the job only ended because the company was liquidated and everyone made redundant.

I've had to be straight with my current job, because I was security vetted and they would have found out anyway. Luckily by now, my worst mental health problems are largely in the past.

Yorkie1

Two4Tuesday wrote: »

I'll second TrickyWicky's sentiment. I lied about my health problems to get a job - there's no way I would have got the job otherwise.

I was never found out, and the job only ended because the company was liquidated and everyone made redundant.

I've had to be straight with my current job, because I was security vetted and they would have found out anyway. Luckily by now, my worst mental health problems are largely in the past.

Sorry but your argument is wholly inconsistent.

You don't know for sure that you wouldn't have got the first job if you had declared, because you didn't try that. You chose to lie.

The second job, where you did in fact declare, you got the job. Which rather tends to support the argument that employers don't always discriminate - and it was your assumptions about the employer which were more operative.

TrickyWicky

Yorkie1 wrote: »

Sorry but your argument is wholly inconsistent.

You don't know for sure that you wouldn't have got the first job if you had declared, because you didn't try that.

But you can't say that they would have got the job either. For all you know they knew someone inside the company who told them not to disclose it.

Yorkie1 wrote: »

The second job, where you did in fact declare, you got the job. Which rather tends to support the argument that employers don't always discriminate - and it was your assumptions about the employer which were more operative.

Yeah but again, you don't know the full story. People don't just get jobs from the jobcentre you know, some people get them by word of mouth via friends etc. It's entirely possible for someone to get insider knowledge before applying for a job.

Two4Tuesday

Yorkie1 wrote: »

Sorry but your argument is wholly inconsistent.

You don't know for sure that you wouldn't have got the first job if you had declared, because you didn't try that. You chose to lie.

The second job, where you did in fact declare, you got the job. Which rather tends to support the argument that employers don't always discriminate - and it was your assumptions about the employer which were more operative.

It might appear that way, but this first job after my sectioning was almost 3 years ago when I was much more unwell, and was still under the care of mental health services. I have no doubt that if I had declared my condition as it was at the time, I would not have got the job. Yes, it's my assumption, but if I had to remake that decision, I wouldn't change a thing.

My mental health is much better now (thanks in a large part to having a job to do) and I've been discharged from mental health services. So the acceptance by my new employer now does not mean that they would have accepted me as I was 3 years ago.

ArtoDeeto

EastEmerald wrote: »

I am so worried about the job being withdrawn if I am honest about this, particularly as I now have no jobs to fall back on. I also know if I lie about it then I could be dismissed if they later find out. I never took time off work when I was going through my dark phase, and it was a specific thing which caused it.

LIE - how do you think they will find out? Your medical health records are completely confidential - have they asked for you to allow access to them?

Do all you can, legally, to get your fantastic job and (not being crass) you can kiss your depression goodbye...

*** IF, as I am sure you will, you become indespensible to the team are they really going to dismiss you because you "forgot" to declare something minor on your application - I don't think so... ***

Yorkie1

If the OP lies and does not become unwell then the chances of being found out are relatively slim.

If the OP lies and becomes unwell again (and depression can be recurrent in many of those who suffer from it) then the employer will in all likelihood seek an OH or GP report. This will reveal the fact of the previous depression.

As has been stated on this thread, and on others, employers consider dishonesty to obtain a job to incredibly serious.

Fact is, we are all guessing including the OP. Who knows what attitude this employer will have? There are good employers and bad ones. Somebody else's experience has absolutely no bearing on the OP's position unless their employer is one for whom another poster on here has worked.

It's entirely down to the OP's view of morality / honesty and his or her own position.