New job and depression

BJV

TrickyWicky wrote: »

Agreed.



See, typical employer. I'd fire you for not telling me but it's not a big deal. This is how employers these days work - they want it all their way.

Diahorrea isn't a big deal but you wouldn't expect that to be declared would you? So why is depression any different? - you say it's not a big deal yet you'd fire someone for not telling you? Do me a favour and stop employing people. Employers like you are whats forcing the rest of us into a corner in the first place.

The rest of your post makes you sound like a kind caring employer but the fact that your second sentence said you'd fire someone on the spot only goes to prove that you're trigger happy - fire first, care later type. My last boss was like that, always looking for reasons to have a go at someone or get them in the **** and yet at meetings with other managers he was a charmer and a real professional. He eventually got the shove.

Sorry! What!

Where did I say I wanted it all my own way????

What i did say is that I would sack someone for trying to lie, mislead not tell the truth!

Not its not a big deal.

No having Diahorrea is not a big deal either. But if you where suffering from it and you lied I would.

It is not the condition, I do not care about that. What I care about is someone not telling the truth. Sorry if they are going to go to the trouble of trying to mislead now before they get the job what would they do when they had it.

Sorry your old boss was a royal pain the bum. But please not for one second try to tar everyone with the same brush. We have all had boss's like that.

So sorry but can not believe that you are really encouraging someone to start out their job on a lie.

I am an employer and I would hate to think that one of my staff was living under a cloud like that. This is the start of a hopefully new chapter for the Op who has had problems in the past. Just like a broken arm they got treatment. A problem which I see no stigma attached to.

You however must as you are encouraging them to hide it.

Depression is not contagious! You can not catch it from being in the same room. Some people have depression for years and are still productive in the work place. Depression is not a death sentence!

BJV

TrickyWicky wrote: »

Deny everything. There is nothing wrong with you and there hasn't been in the past either. IF they ever then find out about it and try to get rid of you it becomes discrimination and depression can be classed as a disability in some circumstances putting the employer in an even weaker position.

What rubbish.

Lie and if you get found out get them for discrimination ! OMG so glad you do not work for me!

FBaby

Is the depression the only medical issue you will be reporting? Because if there is nothing else and you omit to mention depression, it will look odd. If you have a number of other medical issues, they could assume the depression in related to your health and be more concerned.

TrickyWicky

BJV wrote: »

What i did say is that I would sack someone for trying to lie, mislead not tell the truth!

But you're assuming that people are able to trust you enough to give them the job if they tell you!

Secondly, you're assuming that you'd even find out!

Thirdly you're assuming that you could easily fire them.

jacques_chirac

TrickyWicky wrote: »

But you're assuming that people are able to trust you enough to give them the job if they tell you!

Secondly, you're assuming that you'd even find out!

Thirdly you're assuming that you could easily fire them.

You have an extremely negative attitude. Perhaps this is what puts employers off?

TrickyWicky

BJV wrote: »

What rubbish.

Lie and if you get found out get them for discrimination ! OMG so glad you do not work for me!

I think you're taking that too far to be quite frank. I never said get them for discrimination. I've simply said it puts the employer in a weaker position if they want to get rid of you due to DDA etc.

Would I ever want it to get to that? No. Have I ever used that kind of defence? No. Have I ever been put in the situation by an employer where they'd want to get rid of me for having mental health problems? YES.

You guys have to face facts. There are a LOT of nasty employers out there who do not give a rats about staff with mental health problems and simply see them as some sort of inconvenience that needs removing. If thats their line then they force the employee into a very difficult position.

Takeaway_Addict

jacques_chirac wrote: »

You have an extremely negative attitude. Perhaps this is what puts employers off?

Not his fault guvnor, employers should allow for the negative attitude other wises its discrimination innit!

TrickyWicky

jacques_chirac wrote: »

You have an extremely negative attitude. Perhaps this is what puts employers off?

Given that I've been kicked in the teeth many times in life, nearly lost my life a while back to a surgeon who will get away with it while I've lost £thousands in savings, income etc and been treated like !!!! by several bosses when I was deemed disabled, are you really surprised that I'm not the most upbeat of people?

Go on, kick someone in the teeth for having a rough ride. It's people like you who make people like me feel negative.

Takeaway_Addict

TrickyWicky wrote: »

Given that I've been kicked in the teeth many times in life, nearly lost my life a while back to a surgeon who will get away with it while I've lost £thousands in savings, income etc and been treated like !!!! by several bosses when I was deemed disabled, are you really surprised that I'm not the most upbeat of people?

Go on, kick someone in the teeth for having a rough ride. It's people like you who make people like me feel negative.

How was that a kick? It was pointing out a very obvious fact from the numerous posts you make, the large majority extremely negative.

You need to get some help and get a positive outlook in life again.

TrickyWicky

BJV wrote: »

Sorry your old boss was a royal pain the bum. But please not for one second try to tar everyone with the same brush. We have all had boss's like that.

Well you're the one who immediately started spouting about how you'd fire someone. Any decent boss would have a meeting with the member of staff and ask questions first. Not you, you being the rock hard person that you think you are, would just fire them.

Like i said, it's people like you that force people with health problems to hide them in the first place.

BJV wrote: »

So sorry but can not believe that you are really encouraging someone to start out their job on a lie.

You're forgetting something though. You expect 100% loyalty from your staff but will you be just as loyal to them? Most companies just want as few staff as possible, the lowest wage bills possible, while expecting the staff to slog their guts out harder and longer.

I've been there, I've done that, I worked harder than many of my colleagues (many of which would steal company time, go off skiiving, go home etc) and yet while they'd get praise from the boss for 'hard work' I'd be the one getting my teeth kicked in because I had depression. Are you really surprised I could not recommend honesty to someone? - i was one of the top 1/3rd of performers and repeatedly got punishment after punishment.

BJV wrote: »

I am an employer and I would hate to think that one of my staff was living under a cloud like that.

Here is some big news for you then - You're almost guaranteed to have staff that are suffering / have suffered without your knowledge. You may think you know them all but you realistically don't. I'll bet you a few have lied about experience, qualifications, references etc (no, none of those I have done). They're right under your nose but you won't have a clue who they are.

BJV wrote: »

This is the start of a hopefully new chapter for the Op who has had problems in the past.

Yes and I wish them well. Unfortunately they are in a very fragile position however and will have no job to go back to if the employer does not like the depression. It's ok for you, you're not the one who will be affected if the op doesn't get the job.

BJV wrote: »

You however must as you are encouraging them to hide it.

I simply don't want the op to fall foul of a bad employer. You're the one who would rather they be honest and possibly not get the job.