lodger problem - landlord using deposit.

danshah316

dimbo61 wrote: »

You need to get your deposit back before you leave the building and hand back your key.
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Thank you, I think at the very least I will not be returning my front door key, as some small bit of insurance until I get back part of the deposit/the hob. I want to make sure that the LL doesn't simply keep the money and have me chasing them after I have left, to get the damaged hob returned, and them being under no motivation to hurry.

The key is a special security key that I can't copy, only the home owners can from a secure keycutter using a pin/password.

maninthestreet

Are you sure that staining really is permanent?
However, brushed stainless steel can be difficult to clean, as owners of Dolorean DMC-12 motors cars back in the 1980s discovered.

SternMusik

nom_de_plume wrote: »

A stain on stainless steel. Surely not!!??

Baby oil was suggested early in this thread and as silly as it may sound it's been used for years on new stainless steel on such items as lift interiors and doors. The Bosch stuff I assume is the same as we got in a little pack with our new hob and it was magic. My wife really raved over it so it must have been special.

Whatever you do use to get that clean (and I'm 99% confident it will clean off), do any rubbing with the grain and not across it. If you are resigned to having to replace it, don't be afraid to get angry with it first. If the Bosch cleaner doesn't work, move up the scale a bit. I'd try a mild scourer or similar. Is it definitely a stain and not damage to the grain from rubbing

^^ This. I am pretty confident it will come off. Try the Bosch stuff (the wipes are amazing, but use the powder first, on a soft cloth - be very careful and read the instructions. Then finish off with a wipe. The stuff really works magic.).

Like nom de plume I got one of the wipes with my new hob which lead me to ordering the cleaning kit.

Mallotum_X

jellie wrote: »

Get some Bar Keepers Friend to clean it with. I used this on my new stainless steel sink, which had some toilet cleaner poured down it and the sink was badly stained as a result. Normal stainless steel cleaner just didn't work.

It was recommended by the manufacturer - got the stain right off, brilliant stuff.

Yes use this, we had a new kitchen fitted recently, and there was a stain on the stainless steel sink, nothing would shift it until the Bar Keepers Friend. Came up like new.

comeandgo

I dont think you can keep the key, again that is theft.

martinsurrey

danshah316 wrote: »

dimbo61 wrote: »

You need to get your deposit back before you leave the building and hand back your key.
QUOTE]

Thank you, I think at the very least I will not be returning my front door key, as some small bit of insurance until I get back part of the deposit/the hob. I want to make sure that the LL doesn't simply keep the money and have me chasing them after I have left, to get the damaged hob returned, and them being under no motivation to hurry.

The key is a special security key that I can't copy, only the home owners can from a secure keycutter using a pin/password.

That is theft, the LL doesn’t have to give you the hob, you damage it more on purpose and that’s criminal damage, you take something and that’s theft, you refuse to give them their key, theft.

If fact if you said you wanted theold hob the LL could say fine, but you can pay for the electrician to come and remove the old one and install the new one (which they are within their rights to charge you for!).

Just because they are being tight, does not make them wrong, or their actions illegal, it is you that seems to be skirting on the edge of the law.

be careful, and good luck removing the mark.

danshah316

martinsurrey wrote: »

danshah316 wrote: »

That is theft, the LL doesn’t have to give you the hob, you damage it more on purpose and that’s criminal damage, you take something and that’s theft, you refuse to give them their key, theft.

If fact if you said you wanted theold hob the LL could say fine, but you can pay for the electrician to come and remove the old one and install the new one (which they are within their rights to charge you for!).

Just because they are being tight, does not make them wrong, or their actions illegal, it is you that seems to be skirting on the edge of the law.

be careful, and good luck removing the mark.

Thank you for the feedback, I really hope it doesn't come down to me doing anything risky, Im really hoping the cleaning products I have ordered will work.

I appreciate what you have said. They have given me a house key with the obvious intention that I would return it when i leave the property. I have given them my deposit with the obvious intention that they wouldn't simply take my money and put it in their bank to use as they wish, and that it would be reimbursed in full unless sufficient damage is caused.

I don't see how they can force me to hand a key over but I can't force them to hand them what they owe me.

They have not verbally or in writing told me that I have to return the key. If they want to take me to court (obviously the judge would side with them that it is obvious I have to return it), but I want it to be a case where they do some chasing/get the hob sorted asap rather than me having to do everything.

danshah316

comeandgo wrote: »

I dont think you can keep the key, again that is theft.

I don't want to circumvent the law, but I believe in certain circumstances its the right option. If I conveniently misplace my key and I can't be bothered to search for it, then its not like anyone can do anything about it.

I am aware this post will be in the public domain but there would still be no evidence that I haven't actually lost the key.

Taking the key or anything else would not be for my benefit/use, other than to encourage the LL to actually replace the hob and to return the old hob to me, rather than sit and keep my money and the hob.

martinsurrey

danshah316 wrote: »

I don't want to circumvent the law, but I believe in certain circumstances its the right option. If I conveniently misplace my key and I can't be bothered to search for it, then its not like anyone can do anything about it.

I am aware this post will be in the public domain but there would still be no evidence that I haven't actually lost the key.

Taking the key or anything else would not be for my benefit/use, other than to encourage the LL to actually replace the hob and to return the old hob to me, rather than sit and keep my money and the hob.

you say this now,

but if you dont return the key and tell them you have it, the LL claims that you have not given up access to the house, and sues you for rent until the day you give it back,

and if you claim it is lost on the day you move out, they can instantly order a replacement and bill you for it (including getting the locks changed as thier house is now not secure).

as I said.

Be careful.

DaftyDuck

I hope the stain comes off, and this all ends amicably. I'm concerned with all this childish "I'll keep something of theirs" stuff. You simply can't behave like that in the adult world, as everybody else here point out to you, yet you persist with the "I'll keep the key" nonsense. It raises my concern as to what else you've done to upset the LL so much that they blow something like this up out of proportion.