Superseal Magic Box -

Pamela999

Hi, i read these reviews before we had one installed in our house for central heating and i was sceptical, but now i have had one fitted i thought i would post my own experience, we did not buy from superseal we bought from u save power in Swansea.
We have an underfloor heating system and 16 rads running off a combi boiler, the pipes would bang constantly we have spent thousands trying to sort this out as it would wake us up at night, we had bgas out to power flush and balance , local plumbers, we even took the floor up and re hung joists, put stuff around the pipes but did not work, had anti hammer devices fitted etc, , etc,
So this thing was sold to us for noisy pipework, yes it works straight away no more banging pipes! Very happy!
We have our boiler on 30 degrees now, my husband chuffed with this, and the water is still immensely hot if we had it on 60 it was so hot i was worried about scalding my kids.
We had a couple of rads that would not heat up unless you had the thermostat up really high, this has also been fixed as they are all warm with the heating thermostat at a lower temp ie under 25 degrees! And it does heat up quickly.
For us the main reason to buy was the banging pipes, but the fact is the boiler is working better and the energy saving is a bonus! I also had to move a sofa away from the radiator as i thought it may get scorched from the heat it is giving off.
I will follow up a post when we get our bills in but i think this system is great.
All of the reviews on here seem to be from sceptical boffins who may understand the logic behind it, but for me it does what it said it would do, which no plumber or engineer that i have talked too has been able to sort out! And it is saving us money, i was also very happy with the guys from u save power they turned up when they said and left it all tidy afterwards, thanks.
Ps i also had a good deal on the price with a free installation.

theboylard

It must be the weather, they're all out today!

zeupater

theboylard wrote: »

It must be the weather, they're all out today!

... ... a self confessed sceptic throws all caution to the wind and spends £(many)k on a unit which they don't believe in and which doesn't even claim to sort the problem described ... I especially love the part that running the boiler at 30 degrees is both providing water as hot as it would be if running at 60C .. :huh: .. and that there's a genuine worry that sofa would be scorched :rotfl:..... lo and behold, it's not just magic, it's a miracle ... :A

hallelujah ... I've seen the light ! ... ( maybe not then )
Z

Martyn1981

zeupater wrote: »

I especially love the part that running the boiler at 30 degrees is both providing water as hot as it would be if running at 60C .. :huh: .. and that there's a genuine worry that sofa would be scorched :rotfl:..... lo and behold, it's not just magic, it's a miracle ... :A

hallelujah ... I've seen the light ! ... ( maybe not then )
Z

Scorched furniture from a radiator that's 'colder' than body temperature!

Isn't that even lower than the operating temps of a heat pump, that would need to be running 24/7?

Mart.

Pamela999

Reply to the critics of my post, get a life, yes we are all out today!
Yes i did move furniture as if it was left by the radiator when it was running at 60 degrees it was amazingly hot but it is fine now the boiler and thermostat is set lower.
As for the boiler being set on 30 thats correct and yes it is giving hot water which is good for me, so hello to all you sceptics who just rubbish what i have said, the box works.
If you don't believe it, big up, go and buy one and show that it does not work, theres no point just trashing something you have never tried!

theboylard

Thank you.
As you may have gathered, some of us struggle to understand the 'magic' part of the magical box - obviously us muggles will never get it as we are bound by the laws of physics.

If you really want to promote how this box has improved your lot, I am more than happy to offer the following challenge:

I will give, free of charge for 2 years, a domain name of your choosing and the webspace required to build a site that specifically shows how this product has benefitted you.
The site will come with all the necessary bells and whistles required (mysql db's, email, virus scanning, spam filtering from spamexperts, softaculous auto installer for hundreds of scripts, malware scanning, support, sitebuilder etc.

My only requirement is that you show, with videos & pics, the box installed and you include redacted copies of your utility bills pre and post installation.

Love and kisses,

zeupater

Pamela999 wrote: »

Reply to the critics of my post, get a life, yes we are all out today!
Yes i did move furniture as if it was left by the radiator when it was running at 60 degrees it was amazingly hot but it is fine now the boiler and thermostat is set lower.
As for the boiler being set on 30 thats correct and yes it is giving hot water which is good for me, so hello to all you sceptics who just rubbish what i have said, the box works.
If you don't believe it, big up, go and buy one and show that it does not work, theres no point just trashing something you have never tried!

Hi

You'll have to forgive us for being a little sceptical ... a number of us will see the post as being a little strange.

Firstly we have a device which has a pretty (shall we say) 'odd' set of claims around efficiency savings which would likely result in 100%+ system efficiency delivery in most instances to be anywhere near accurate .... the offering would seem to be a simple 'in-line' pumped buffer, therefore being a little expensive at previously reported costs .... considering the costs reported so far, the payback period before any actual 'savings' would be horrendous (and pretty easy for anyone who's actually interested to calculate) .... and there's so many more points which have already been covered that it's just easier for anyone interested to review previous posts & research elsewhere.

Secondly, there's a glowing report and a follow-up post for an installation which seems to contain a major issue which is directly related to the initial post regarding this installation regarding the claims when related to the installer mentioned (more than once!). We've just been through one of the mildest winters for decades (if not longer) and at the mid point of this year the annual averaged temperature is 1.78C higher than the norm (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/cet_info_mean.html) ... so we have a scenario set which would tend to suggest that there would be little call for much heat provision into late spring or early summer .... now here comes the crux of the issue, the installer which was mentioned with such a glowing report ... if they've been correctly identified, according to their Companies House registration (http://data.companieshouse.gov.uk/doc/company/08990879) the incorporation date was April this year, which, even if the system was installed on the first day of trading, doesn't really leave much scope for either testing the capability of the heating system to meet it's required heat provision (let alone, maintain the house at 25C) at the mentioned operating temperature (30C) during a cold winter, or make any kind of informed judgement on the "fact is the boiler is working better and the energy saving is a bonus!".

I was sceptical about the product before, now it's a case that the scepticism has been hugely reinforced by a glowing report triggering a little logical interpretation & some simple research which absolutely anyone could do .... I look forward with eagerness for the acceptance of the challenge and uptake of the resource so generously offered above and the forthcoming published savings .... but, of course, without independent scrutiny & validation by a respected third party, even then I, along with anyone else, should remain extremely wary ....

HTH
Z

EricMears

"You can't criticise if you haven't bought one" has been the cry of snake oil salesmen for aeons !

If the device really does all it says then it suggests that its inventors have discovered a new law of physics. Whilst I'd be the last to suggest that there will never be any new laws of physics to be discovered, I would expect that anyone who does discover one would at least be nominated for a Nobel prize; I've not heard of that happening.

Martyn1981

Pamela999 wrote: »

Reply to the critics of my post, get a life, yes we are all out today!
Yes i did move furniture as if it was left by the radiator when it was running at 60 degrees it was amazingly hot but it is fine now the boiler and thermostat is set lower.
As for the boiler being set on 30 thats correct and yes it is giving hot water which is good for me, so hello to all you sceptics who just rubbish what i have said, the box works.
If you don't believe it, big up, go and buy one and show that it does not work, theres no point just trashing something you have never tried!

What a complete load of nonsense.

Addressing the sofa issue, I read your first post to mean that the 'new' system was giving off so much heat you had to move the furniture. I now understand that you meant the old system was giving off too much heat. But .....

that's far more interesting. So the old system was supplying so much heat that it worried you, whilst the new one supplies far less????

It doesn't take a physicist, nor a genius to notice a flaw in your argument. Since heating your room/house requires heat to be transferred from the water (via the rad) to the air, if less heat is being given off, then you have a problem!

Your counterargument, presumably, will be to suggest a longer heating time, at a lower temp, but we have a problem there also. The temp difference of 60c v's 30c isn't as simple as 2:1. I'm sure Z can explain this better than I, but since the radiators are only slightly warmer than the room (rather than 40c or so warmer), then it would now take far longer to heat the house (possibly more than 24hrs in a 24hr period), or require much larger rads.

All of this aside, the 'magic claims' are always of savings that are simply not possible, as they appear to reduce bills by more than the losses in the system, even if the system was now running at (an impossible) 100%.

Given some of the prices quoted (£8k!) you could even go as far as to compare to something OTT like a 2kW leccy blower. Run that for 5 hours a day, pointed at your feet, ~£1.50 nice and toasty. 100 very cold days a year ~£150. £8k/£150 = 53 years.

Or another way of looking at it ..... FREE ..... £8k @ 2% interest =£160pa.

Mart.

zeupater

Martyn1981 wrote: »

... The temp difference of 60c v's 30c isn't as simple as 2:1. I'm sure Z can explain this better than I, but since the radiators are only slightly warmer than the room (rather than 40c or so warmer), then it would now take far longer to heat the house (possibly more than 24hrs in a 24hr period), or require much larger rads. ...

Hi

The explanation's quite simple really ... radiators are sized to exchange heat at Delta-T50, which would usually describe a water temperature of say 70C and a room temperature of 20C. A previous post suggested that the room thermostat was set at 25C and the system used to be run at 60C (difference 35C) and is now run at 30C (difference 5C), therefore suggesting the system would need to run for 7x longer (35/5).

As Mart also mentioned, running the system at such a low temperature has a huge implication on the ability of the system to deliver enough heat. Consider a situation where the calculated heat-loss for the home is 25kW and a 30kW boiler has been installed with radiators matched at Delta-T50 .... operating the system at Delta-T5 (30-25) limits the heat transfer to 3kW, which isn't much even in a well insulated home.

A further point is related to the operating efficiency of the boiler. Modern high efficiency boilers achieve best performance in condensing mode, which needs a decent difference in temperature between feed at return temperatures in the boiler. Operating the system at such low temperatures would simply reduce the fuel burn efficiency due to operating in a non-condensing mode. Looking at the efficiencies of condensing boilers vs non-condensing when new, the loss of efficiency would likely be in the range of 10%-20% ....

HTH
Z