not returning back to work after maternity leave

BoroPhil

FBaby wrote: »

Does article 16 stipulate a time frame to that right? Does it states that the day you decide you want to start a family, you have that right, or does it mean that you have a right to plan your family and have it when you are ready?

Also, you stipulate right to 'start' a family, does this mean that once you've started it with one child, your rights stop? In this case, should benefits stop after one child?

what if you never are ready (financially)? what happens then? do you give up the dream of having children?

jacques_chirac

BoroPhil wrote: »

what if you never are ready (financially)? what happens then? do you give up the dream of having children?

The right to have children does not amount to a right to state handouts. When the UDHR was established there were no child related benefits.

missapril75

I'm going to take this opportunity to remind/inform people that many years ago, ITV's World In Action once made an edition on subsidies and it was presented in Game Show style (like Ask The Family) featuring a working class family vs a middle to upper class family.

The reasonably wealthy family on much higher income were the ones receiving the far greater taxpayer subsidies.

It was a little different back then as the tax relief on mortgage interest benefited the more wealthy (and it exists no more) but there were plenty of other examples where the well off had greater tax subsidy. And the grants that benefit recipients got back then are, of course, no more, so poor and wealthy both have reduced support.



Spongers.

MissMoneypenny

BoroPhil wrote: »

not explicitly. But how else will poor people have this right satisfied without state assistance?

Article 16 does not say that an EEA country must pay for the children that their poor have.

Many EEA countries won't give any (or much) welfare payments to poor families. EU countries that have/did have, generous welfare payments, can reduce those benefits at will: as the Netherlands have done and the UK is doing.

Angelicdevil

missapril75 wrote: »

I'm going to take this opportunity to remind/inform people that many years ago, ITV's World In Action once made an edition on subsidies and it was presented in Game Show style (like Ask The Family) featuring a working class family vs a middle to upper class family.

The reasonably wealthy family on much higher income were the ones receiving the far greater taxpayer subsidies.

It was a little different back then as the tax relief on mortgage interest benefited the more wealthy (and it exists no more) but there were plenty of other examples where the well off had greater tax subsidy. And the grants that benefit recipients got back then are, of course, no more, so poor and wealthy both have reduced support.



Spongers.

May I bring you in to the year 2013.........

FBaby

BoroPhil wrote: »

what if you never are ready (financially)? what happens then? do you give up the dream of having children?

Surely as a couple working both full-time by the age of 35 (because if you don't have children by then, you have no reason not to end up with a full-time position each), you should be in a financial position to support a child.

Unfortunately, most who convince themselves of their right to multiple children tend to be much younger and not interested in bettering themselves financially when the state can do it for them by having children.