not returning back to work after maternity leave

princessdon

portly1 wrote: »

errr whatever happened to the idea that the child - mother bond for the first 4 years of it's life is the most valuable thing any mum can give their little one?

I'm a guy and I don't think it is right that any woman should ever be made to feel that she should have to go back to work until the child is 4.

It's about time we looked at what gives baby (and mum) the best start in life - being dumped in a nursery at 3 months old for 8 hours a day whilst mum goes to work to earn just enough to pay for the nursery fees or maybe a bond that is so special that no one should ever interfere with?

For everyone? Or those who pay due their own children are shafted again.

portly1

powerful_Rogue wrote: »

. Don't decide not to return and that the state can support you.

But you have missed one important fact. It stands on record that a child that has it's mother at home with it for the first 4 years stands a better chance in life than knowing nothing but the inside of a nursery from the age of 3 months. The poster should consider all options open to her in order to have an income for those 4 years even if they are welfare benefits.

Do what most do in this country and play the system, except in this case it is for a very worthwhile cause!

portly1

princessdon wrote: »

For everyone? Or those who pay due their own children are shafted again.

No one is being 'shafted'. We all have a responsibility towards mums with young children up to age 4. The main cause of the breakdown of today's society is because the traditional values are being eroded.

Even my sister in law in years gone by who is a true Tory, utilised the system of working a year to have an NI contribution record then claimed benefit for a year all until both children were at school (8 years)

princessdon

portly1 wrote: »

But you have missed one important fact. It stands on record that a child that has it's mother at home with it for the first 4 years stands a better chance in life than knowing nothing but the inside of a nursery from the age of 3 months. The poster should consider all options open to her in order to have an income for those 4 years even if they are welfare benefits.

Do what most do in this country and play the system, except in this case it is for a very worthwhile cause!

Yet I can show you statistics that prove this is BS. The quality of home environment is key, or why does the govt now pay for 2 year olds from low income families to have nursery, to narrow the gap.

By your logic there is no gap, those should be above the working nursery children!

Far too many factors shape a child in early years but staying home as a stand alone fact, isn't one of them as benefit claimant children often are the lower end if the scale academically and socially with huge school funding. No need for a pupil premium for none benefit claiming households, they are deemed as not needing it.

princessdon

portly1 wrote: »

No one is being 'shafted'. We all have a responsibility towards mums with young children up to age 4. The main cause of the breakdown of today's society is because the traditional values are being eroded.

Even my sister in law in years gone by who is a true Tory, utilised the system of working a year to have an NI contribution record then claimed benefit for a year all until both children were at school (8 years)

So why do they have a cut off for CTC? Why not make it universal, why not give every mother £71 plus £85 to stay home?

swingaloo

Whatever the pros and cons of mum and baby being together vs nursery it all comes down to the same point - why have babies if you cant afford to support them?

portly1

princessdon wrote: »

why does the govt now pay for 2 year olds from low income families to have nursery, to narrow the gap.

Simply to try and force mum's back into work in order that they can pay tax and NI contributions?

isn't one of them as benefit claimant children often are the lower end if the scale academically and socially with huge school funding. No need for a pupil premium for none benefit claiming households, they are deemed as not needing it.

So by that you are assuming that my two children who are now in their 30's and had mum stay at home (stopped work when 6 months pregnant and never worked since), come from the 'lower end of the scale academically and socially' ?

Of course we claimed every possible benefit that was available to us, on top of my salary. The children both attended university, and received a good degree each.
They had everything that they needed in their lives including a car on their 18th + driving lessons.

Thanks to the sacrifice that my wife made in staying at home, I have two wonderful children and four grandchildren.

To say that we come from the lower end of society is an insult.

portly1

princessdon wrote: »

So why do they have a cut off for CTC? Why not make it universal, why not give every mother £71 plus £85 to stay home?

They should do - they deserve it - I couldn't do half of what my wife did.

portly1

swingaloo wrote: »

Whatever the pros and cons of mum and baby being together vs nursery it all comes down to the same point - why have babies if you cant afford to support them?

As I have said - it isn't just down to the parents to support the children - it is down to society at large to contribute as well. Those children are our future and we should make sure that they lack for nothing as well as giving mum the support she needs.

Or maybe we should only be breeding from good stock? Those that are privileged financially?

princessdon

portly1 wrote: »

So by that you are assuming that my two children who are now in their 30's and had mum stay at home (stopped work when 6 months pregnant and never worked since), come from the 'lower end of the scale academically and socially' ?

Of course we claimed every possible benefit that was available to us, on top of my salary. The children both attended university, and received a good degree each.
They had everything that they needed in their lives including a car on their 18th + driving lessons.

Thanks to the sacrifice that my wife made in staying at home, I have two wonderful children and four grandchildren.

To say that we come from the lower end of society is an insult.

You can't argue facts, children from benefits are more likely to claim benefits and achieve less.

If your children ended up on benefits why is this?