Loop in ceiling rose - identification

keystone

homerhotspur wrote: »

Now as photo

Look at your previous pic of the ceiling rose, compare it with this and you will see your mistake.

Cheers

homerhotspur

The blue from the light fitting should only be connected to the 2 blacks from the ceiling rather than all 3 blacks and blue? That is what I started with though if you see my first post today or is it something else?

thanks

keystone

I haven't looked at the line connections but yes there is something else. You have isolated two of the lives. In the rose the 4 reds are connected together in three different terminals in a single block. In your terminal strip solution you have isolated two of them so you have broken the ring. The clue is here:

homerhotspur wrote: »

but this should be a straightforward copying exercise.

So you have NOT copied it!

If you take the two reds you have kept separate and put them both in the opposite side of the terminal block to the two reds that are together then the reds will be wired exactly the same as the rose.

I hope that the new light fitting is double insulated - it looks metal and the metal parts should be earthed if it isn't double insulated.

Cheers

Rockingit

keystone wrote: »

I hope that the new light fitting is double insulated - it looks metal and so should the metal parts should be earthed if it isn't double insulated.

Cheers

This is also in a bathroom, yes? !!!!!!, when will people ever learn. Darwin at his best.

homerhotspur

Rockingit - You just can't leave it alone can you. Is there no end to your superiority. (in your own mind)

Rockingit

homerhotspur wrote: »

Rockingit - You just can't leave it alone can you. Is there no end to your superiority. (in your own mind)

Given 24 years of qualifications and experience in electrical work spanning the globe, then yes, I have no problem whatsoever in claiming a superiority in this regard.

The next time you have a headache, will you also google on-line brain surgery? No, I thought not. You'll go and see a specialist.

victor2

homerhotspur wrote: »

Rockingit - You just can't leave it alone can you. Is there no end to your superiority. (in your own mind)

Rockingit may have his own way of putting things, but electricity and humidity (as in bathrooms) don't mix well. And as already pointed out, if the fitting is metal, it should be earthed.
The fact that you have isolated the live wires is (as also pointed out) probably why things are not working now.

From the government planning portal:

If you are carrying out electrical work in your home or garden in England and Wales, you will have to follow new rules in the Building Regulations.

You should use an installer who is registered with a competent person scheme to seek approval from a Building Control body. This is true for most work. However, you do not need to tell them about repairs, replacements and maintenance work or extra power points or lighting points or other alterations to existing circuits (except in a kitchen or bathroom, or outdoors).

homerhotspur

Those three words ' spanning the globe' said it all for me - 'Look at how impressive I am'. Given your superiority, it would have been nice if you were truly a 'good MSE' and had commented on the wiring like Keystone, rather than just make Sarcastic and unhelpful comments.

I know you will be quite unable to cope without having the last word , so go for it .............although I challenge you not to. I will not respond again anyway .

Myser

You need to add two links to connect all the red wires in your terminal block connections and the lights should be working again:



Will you be concealing the terminal block inside the light fitting? Will the terminal block be encapsulated?

Basic multimeters only cost around £5 and it's worth having one. The type of AC voltage tester that you have, probably glows on each wire because it is not detecting mains voltage but rather an induced voltage.

The same applies for neon screwdrivers and beeping volt sticks. They are not a reliable indication of a wire being live.

ValHaller

homerhotspur wrote: »

Thank you. I may have to go and get a new multimeter. I have never understood my old one and I am sure they have simpler ones now. I do have a new AC voltage tester which , when I tried it earlier, seemed to suggest that all the wires were ' live' even when the power was off so I have lost confidence in it.

And you get snippy with people who are politely suggesting that you get an electrician in?

If you know enough about electricity to work with it safely, you will not have a problem understanding a multimeter and you will know the reasons why a so-called 'ac voltage tester' may suggest wires are live when they are not obviously live. About the only thing which is going in your favour is that you have lost confidence in this so-called 'ac voltage tester'.