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The inevitable fall in house prices will cost us dear

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  • Thrugelmir
    Thrugelmir Posts: 89,546 Forumite
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    You got your sums wrong.

    Q4 1994 - £62,066
    Q4 2004 - £161,288

    Percentage change per year = 15.99%

    An average annual growth rate of 9.95% would put prices in 2004 at around £126,000

    Standard of maths these days is appalling.....

    You've overlooked the issue of compounding.
  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    Thrugelmir wrote: »
    Standard of maths these days is appalling.....

    You've overlooked the issue of compounding.

    Why would you compound an average growth rate?
  • You got your sums wrong.

    Q4 1994 - £62,066
    Q4 2004 - £161,288

    Percentage change per year = 15.99%

    An average annual growth rate of 9.95% would put prices in 2004 at around £126,000

    Must have gone to the wrong school.....

    1995: £62,066 for one year at 15.99% is £71,990
    1996: £71,990 for another year at 15.99% is £83,502
    1997: £83,502 for another year at 15.99% is £96,854
    1998: £96,854 for another year at 15.99% is £112,340
    1999: £112,340 for another year at 15.99% is £130,304
    2000: £130,304 for another year at 15.99% is £151,139
    2001: £151,139 for another year at 15.99% is £175,306
    2002: £175,306 for another year at 15.99% is £203,337
    2003: £203,337 for another year at 15.99% is £235,852
    2004: £235,852 for another year at 15.99% is £273,564

    Or should I write to Microsoft to report a bug in Excel?

    Let me know if you want a similar calculation at 9.95%. It would come to around £161,000.
  • Why would you compound an average growth rate?

    Because I don't know how the hell it can be an average growth rate if it isn't compounded!


    Phewwwww......................
  • chewmylegoff
    chewmylegoff Posts: 11,469 Forumite
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    Why would you compound an average growth rate?

    Where is that double face palm graphic.
  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    edited 3 September 2013 at 10:08PM
    In accounting, would you compound profit to come up with an average profit growth rate over the previous, say, 3 years?

    I understand compounding, but don't understand why you would do so when looking at the average growth rate over a set period.

    Were not talking about the average yearly rate of HPI here, which is what Loughton has worked out. Were talking about the average growth rate over a set period. I don't think I'm digging a hole here, as I've seen it expressed this way on numerous financials. And indeed, David Blanchflower has taken the same route.
  • chewmylegoff
    chewmylegoff Posts: 11,469 Forumite
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    Yes. Because accounting uses the same maths as everything else.
  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    Fair enough. I'm wrong then.

    As is Blanchflower.

    As is our accountant who expressed our average profit rate over the last 3 years.
  • ukcarper
    ukcarper Posts: 17,337 Forumite
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    Fair enough. I'm wrong then.

    As is Blanchflower.

    As is our accountant who expressed our average profit rate over the last 3 years.

    Profit is a different thing to increase in price
  • Fair enough. I'm wrong then.

    Goats & Monkeys Graham....

    Would you seriously invest £10,000 in a 3 years Savings Bond at 5% annual interest, and happily walk in three years later to collect £11,500 maturity money?
    As is Blanchflower.

    It may help in the future if you learn that an awful lot of journalists cannot be trusted and often get things totally wrong. Raving left-wing journalists are even worse.
    As is our accountant who expressed our average profit rate over the last 3 years.

    No. He's very probably right. Making you wrong.

    Compound growth rates = chalk
    Average profit rate = cheese

    A profit rate could be profit as % of turnover. It's a totally different turnover each year, so I don't know how you could compound it without being meaningless.
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