unbelievable accident..

colino

There's something peculiar in the mindset of some of these countries. It costs something like £500 to go through a driving school and get through a test in Russia, but all to easy to get genuine docs by bribing the right officials. Cost? About £500. In Sofia our driver actually boasted about learning to drive when he was working as a taxi driver, the company got him the licence and he paid them off weekly.

arcon5

Ultrasonic wrote: »

I very specifically said 'life threatening' in my last post. Yes you will know far more by seeing and speaking with the casualty, but knowledge of the energy of the collision and the fact that they are conscious (they sat up) are indicative of the significance of any injuries. It would be wrong to categorically state that the driver didn't die as a result of this collision, but I would suggest that it is highly unlikely. (I am not an expert in this regard, but my comment wasn't competely naive either.)

So are you saying it should only be seen as a duty to help another if their injuries appear to be life threatening? And that it's acceptable to not offer up any help if they are clearly not?

You don't need to suffer any kind of serious injury to need some help. This woman for example could have hurt her arms and legs, probably non-live threatening, but just needed help calling for medical help or calling for recovery.

Or she simply could have needed a friendly face as she's suffering from shock - which dispute the idiocy of the accident, she deserves.

Where does this attitude end, if an elderly lady slips and bangs her head, so long as she can get up then would it be morally okay to not even ask if she is okay?

And lets not forget life-threatening injuries aren't always visually apparent. Especially in this case where this lady most likely hit her head.

The point i'm making is despite the stupidity of her actions (we could at least rule out malice), i'm a little shocked that people shown on the video appeared to show little to no concern for this ladies welfare.

scheming_gypsy

arcon5 wrote: »

This video is tasteless, why somebody would post it on youtube is beyond me!!

Also the fact nobody rushed to help this poor lady and a car even drove away is sickening.

which video did you watch? the driver of the car with the dashcam clearly went to see if she was ok which she obviously was as he was walking to her through the window. then when he walked back to his car somebody else went over.
You can't tell the whole story just because you watched a two minute clip on the internet.

Ultrasonic

arcon5 wrote: »

So are you saying it should only be seen as a duty to help another if their injuries appear to be life threatening? And that it's acceptable to not offer up any help if they are clearly not?

No. Not at all. As I said above, I mentioned in my first post the other driver leaving the scene was regrettable (although there are other people around).

I took your comment about the video being 'tasteless' to be referring to it showing footage of a serious or potentially fatal injury, rather than the lack of assistance given to the injured driver. That was what I was responding to. There are videos of for example drunk pedestrians hit by cars which I view as tasteless (to put it mildly!) for this reason.

spacey2012

Dash cams are great, if you drive like a nun delivering the popes soup.
Other than that and the police can use PACE to seize it and put before a jury if they suspect you are to blame..
So I hope they have a delete and wipe mode button.

Ultrasonic

spacey2012 wrote: »

Dash cams are great, if you drive like a nun delivering the popes soup.
Other than that and the police can use PACE to seize it and put before a jury if they suspect you are to blame..
So I hope they have a delete and wipe mode button.

I'm sure people who have a dash cam that are involved in an accident where they know they weren't entirely innocent would simply not tell anyone that they had a dash cam... Obviously if the crash was so bad that the driver wasn't in a state to quickly remove the camera before any emergency service personel spotted it, that would be a different matter.

DaveF327

spacey2012 wrote: »

Dash cams are great, if you drive like a nun delivering the popes soup.

Perhaps it's time we all start driving with a bowl of hot soup on our laps.

Mankysteve

colino wrote: »

There's something peculiar in the mindset of some of these countries. It costs something like £500 to go through a driving school and get through a test in Russia, but all to easy to get genuine docs by bribing the right officials. Cost? About £500. In Sofia our driver actually boasted about learning to drive when he was working as a taxi driver, the company got him the licence and he paid them off weekly.

I had a Indian student friend at uni and I was discussing learning to drive with him. He said that while its getting stricter it was typically just to bride the tester and if you ever lost your licenece it was a simple case of reapplying with a slightly different name and another bribe to the examiner.

vikingaero

spacey2012 wrote: »

Dash cams are great, if you drive like a nun delivering the popes soup.
Other than that and the police can use PACE to seize it and put before a jury if they suspect you are to blame..
So I hope they have a delete and wipe mode button.

You could just drive normally, competently and with respect for other road users. Even a good driver will come across situations (especially in unfamiliar surroundings) where they make a mistake in lane choice or have no choice but to inch out and interfere with the path of another driver. In most instances a cheery and polite wave and thank you will defuse the situation.

The problem now is our scummy society where a large percentage of people of all social classes don't care how they drive or how they impact on others. For them motoring misdemeanours and near misses are a daily and regular occurrence.

We have people report accidents on here where the third party have stated responsibility at the scene of the accident and then dispute the accident later - sometimes denial and financial denial kicks in.

Now we have crash for cash and flash for cash.

£20-150 is therefore well spent in my opinion.

dacouch

Mankysteve wrote: »

I had a Indian student friend at uni and I was discussing learning to drive with him. He said that while its getting stricter it was typically just to bride the tester and if you ever lost your licenece it was a simple case of reapplying with a slightly different name and another bribe to the examiner.

I thought the Indian driving test was regarded as one of the easiest tests in the world