Two fines in four days

Keith

vaio wrote: »

By this logic they can come back and add another ticket next day? Next hour? Minute?

Not yet!

It should be one ticket per day, for each day the vehicle remains untaxed. I'd also agree with clamping/removal of the vehicle on the third day.

Why? You have a notice of expiry of your tax disc in your windscreen from the date of purchase, you have a reminder from the DVLA 10 days before expiry. Its as simple to go online and buy your new tax disc.

If a vehicle has no tax, the majority of times no insurance or mot is valid is on the vehicle.

And no I'm not a cop or traffic warden, just someone who is fed up of the poor standard of motoring in this country from untaxed/insured vehicles to poor driving.

Hapless_2

zappahey wrote: »

Can you provide a reference for this?

Check your car policy. Some policies will not cover you if your car is not taxed and you have an accident while driving, as you are driving an "illegal" car (unless taking it to a pre arranged MOT). I believe 2 of our former policies had that written in the small print.

zappahey

Hapless wrote: »

Check your car policy. Some policies will not cover you if your car is not taxed and you have an accident while driving, as you are driving an "illegal" car (unless taking it to a pre arranged MOT). I believe 2 of our former policies had that written in the small print.

I've checked all three of my policies and none of them say that.


My understanding, and I'm happy to be corrected, is that, in law, it is very difficult to invalidate the 3rd party element of your policy. Clearly the cover for your own car is likely to be a different matter.

Gorgeous_George

Keith wrote: »

It should be one ticket per day, for each day the vehicle remains untaxed.

I disagree. Revenue is applied monthly (you cannot tax you car for part of a month). Therefore, I would argue that the first penalty is for not having tax in June. A further penalty should not be applied until July.

I rest my case your Honour.



GG

rikbar

Gorgeous_George wrote: »

I disagree. Revenue is applied monthly (you cannot tax you car for part of a month). Therefore, I would argue that the first penalty is for not having tax in June. A further penalty should not be applied until July.

I rest my case your Honour.



GG

The fine is not for not having tax, but for faliure to display tax, and he has failed to display tax on two days thus he will pay a fine for each day. He could have bought tax on the first day he was fined and thus not incurred the second fine.



RBR

wdyw

Nearly in the same boat as the OP. Came back from holiday on the 7th. Remembered that night tax was due. Got out of bed (!!!!), went online and paid through the DVLA website. "Allow 5 working days blah blah blah". Spent the next week making sure I parked off road at work and at home. Even though I could prove the date/time I'd paid for the tax I could still be done for not displaying it. Crazy money revenue system.

tomstickland

This might be shocking news to some posters, but people can make mistakes and then realise that their tax is overdue. This is quite different from serial non-taxed, non insured, non MOT car drivers.

Of course, being a well intentioned owner who made a mistake you are much easier to fine.

Being perfect, I've never forgotten that the tax was due and paid a few days late. It's not easy being this good, but at least the OP is aware of their grave failings and one day might be almost as perfect as me.
Yes, I think one £1000 fine for each ten minutes is about right, and then the car should be crushed and the owner made to carry the parts to the council tip with a placard saying "I am lazy, inconsiderate and a leech on society who failed to pay my car tax. No excuses. Zero tolerance. I will repent".

newlywed

Yes people can forget. I have, usually remember on the 1st of the month though.

But after the first fine, surely they had all day Friday and Saturday morning to get to a local post office to renew the tax? Even if they were busy, surely it only takes 10 minutes to actually get it issued (unless you are in the lunch time post office queue)? It's not like you have to get to a specifically designated office 30 miles away is it? (unless of course the OP lives in the back of beyond where there is no town or post office for 30+ miles???)

Gorgeous_George

But maybe money is tight. The fine needs to be paid and the next pay packet might be a week away.

What was the outcome?



GG

pipk62

Although I agree in principle to what many are saying, that the fines are deserved, I do believe that 3 days grace for an ‘honest’ person wouldn’t hurt.
Maybe a cautionary ticket and small fine, say £20 could be issued within a 3 day period.

In my opinion the problem isn’t somebody that’s forgotten to tax their car for a few days, the real problem is much scarier than that!

I live on the edge of a council estate, and generally most of the people on my street do have taxed cars, but a short walk onto another street and the story is quite different.
It would be hard to find a car either with its own tax or tax at all, and there is little that can be done (it seems).
The problem is that sometimes these cars are ‘pool cars’ and are shared by a certain type of person, and sometimes they may belong to one person, but the registration document will show another person, often miles away from where the car is kept, and I know of one case where somebody registered the car with the name of his friends deceased father!

The Police have a nearly impossible time trying to get these cars off the road, for one thing the budget doesn’t allow for it, they may remove a car, but within 20 minutes there will be another car available.
Also, they can’t be seen to ‘pick on’ a certain area for several reasons, bad publicity the local authority will not want, Police complaints procedure will also eventually prevent them from continuing, (if the police keep receiving complaints then the procedure has to be seen to act).
But worst of all is IF they manage to arrest someone, and IF that someone is found guilty then the punishment is small, as an example; if they are fined, then more drugs may need to be sold to pay for it, or if not drugs then more shoplifting, if they are imprisoned then they are sent off for a few days, (I heard one local ‘character’ boasting to a girl that he’d spent 30 days in “The Gym” after hitting someone, and “ Look at my Pecs now!”)

So, the Police have to meet quotas set by the Government, and its easier to gain revenue from ‘Honest’ people, than the mountains of paperwork needed for the dishonest, and then their would be no revenue.