Syria - is it built into markets?

lvader

atush wrote: »

What a load of twaddle.

We know perfectly well who is using chemical weapons, and it isn't the rebels. How ever nasty they might be. And however much they'll end up hating the west (if they already don't as they have been begging for help for 2 years) just like all the other countries that had recent civil actions like Egypt and Libya.

you believe that cr*p, then I have a bridge to sell you, cheap.

I don't believe anyone, both sides are capable of pretty much anything. Not to mention it could have been done by a third party.

atush

Well we already know Hezbollah are fighting for assad.

But the syrian govt are the only ones with those weapons. Perhaps Assad handed a few over and asked they deploy them? Don't think so in this case, as news said they came by air and the govt have the skies.

That's ok, we'll just sit by and watch him kill every single one against him, along with all the civilians he wants. Just like we (and the Canadian UN force) let the butchers into Srebrenica and when we watched a few thousand Hutus massacre half a million Tutsi's.

After all, we're all right, aren't we?

black_taxi_2

yeah it gets more brutal as those in power get desperate

lvader

Because terrorist groups have never used Sarin gas? Before you fall off your high horse what about the million people that have died as a result of the Iraq war?

doughnutmachine

atush wrote: »

Well we already know Hezbollah are fighting for assad.

But the syrian govt are the only ones with those weapons. Perhaps Assad handed a few over and asked they deploy them? Don't think so in this case, as news said they came by air and the govt have the skies.

That's ok, we'll just sit by and watch him kill every single one against him, along with all the civilians he wants. Just like we (and the Canadian UN force) let the butchers into Srebrenica and when we watched a few thousand Hutus massacre half a million Tutsi's.

After all, we're all right, aren't we?

tbh, my opinion of Hezbollah is that they are the good (relatively) guys.

Assad may have his faults, but at least he was secular. The rebels involve some pretty extreme fanatics. Last month there was a meeting between the rebels, the al Queda faction killed the leader of the moderate rebels.

imho Syria could turn into a regional sectarian war that would make the trouble in Northern Ireland look like a lover's tiff. That's not been factored into the stockmarket.

Masomnia

Oil is higher, supposedly on supply concerns due to the potential for increased conflict in the region.

veryintrigued

Seems the Beeb think the 'small' drop today was due to the 'Syrian concerns'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11899862

veryintrigued

Did anyone see the 'cartoon' in The Times over the week-end? A dead child with bullet wound and a tick - i.e. thats 'palatable'. Then next to it a dead child with a gas mask with a cross - i.e. thats 'unpalatable'.

atush

The rebels involve some pretty extreme fanatics. Last month there was a meeting between the rebels, the al Queda faction killed the leader of the moderate rebels.

yeah, could be that if we had helped earlier- who knows what roday would look like, waiting in Libya took the same toll in the end. Each day that goes by they kill the moderates. We left Saddam a decade to root out and kill everyone who opposed him, incl all those who could have helped rebuild the country. Not to mention practicing with Sarin on his local opposition.

I only know of one Terrorist group (rich and well connected in Japan) that used sarin in a limited attack. 99% of sarin deaths have been at the hands of govt on their own people as far as I can see (although no diffinitive reports from the iran/iraq war as to casualties where this could skew results but these were two enemy combatants so a third category in all).

tbh, my opinion of Hezbollah is that they are the good (relatively) guys.

Guess you aren't a student of history then. Perception is compared with Al Q they are the good guys, but that's relative- they never been good.

Us Perception is the IRA are now Good Guys? Do/did you ever believe that? I have a bridge to sell, sure i mentioned it.

atush

what about the million people that have died as a result of the Iraq war?

how many of those are the west responsible for? they include those killed by saddam (inlc all the moderates who could have run the county had we not given up so quickly in the first war that he spent a decade killing after), the sunni death squads, Al Qaeda too.

How many got killed in Libya? How many by western forces alone? This would be more relevant. But given they syrians are being armed by Russia daily, we are afraid of more casualties than libya as they have more fighter jets and anti aircraft defense. Plus they actually knew he possessed chemical weapons so are afraid of them being deployed.

I don't knpw what is right to do here at this point, as we have allowed the russians to control things to their liking.

What I do know, is I am tired of allowing despots (be they our proxies or Russian ones or Chinese ones) run rampant killing civilians and opposition parties left right and center. And actually using chemical weapons takes the biscuit. WE invaded IRaq on the word of a now discredited defector, but we do know the Syrians do have them and are using them and here we are caught with our williams in our hands.

Be ashamed, as you should have been in Srebrenica. What did you think would happen then?