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dori2o

nannytone wrote: »

so only wheelchair users find public transport difficult to access?

what about those with learning disabilities?
those with mental health conditions?
those who are visually impaired or blind?

to get anywhere from where i live, i would have to use a busy interchange.
trying that during peak times would be almost impossible.

I wasn't making a statement, I was asking a question of the poster whose post I quoted.

I wholeheartedly agree with what you say.

Brassedoff

schrodie wrote: »

I'm not arguing for that sake of arguing and certainly not making excuses (I don't need to) I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies in what your saying that's all.

Schrodie, no matter what I have said. Arguing for that sake of arguing has been your forte :-)

There could be an example that a million people living in brand new houses, on the ground floor, next to the bus stop that provides brand new compliant vehicles, but suffer from stumped-toeitus and feel they cannot cope with working in their ground floor call centre as they need both hands to rub their toe. You would come back with a million reasons why not one of them should be made to work or why they should not be denied a brand new 46in LCD TV with a full Sky TV package.

I have found you are ready to give a million reasons why they cannot, never the one that means they can.

OK, you take the opposite opinion to me, but I cannot understand who pays for it all?

liam8282 wrote: »

I think I am missing the point you are trying to get at here.

The scenario which you are describing, where there is no disabled public transport must be a very specific place and must only effect a limited number of people, who cannot use any public transport at all.

Fair enough, if you live in the Scottish Highlands you may struggle with Public Transport, but that would be the same for everybody, disabled or not.

Again, it just sounds like making excuses and arguing for the sake of it to me.

I agree, Over 90% of the UK population now live in urban areas (UK Census results Feb 2013). A vast majority of people live near or in a city or town. That same majority also live near an organised transport system.

I concede the other 10% live in rural areas that make using public transport harder.

What about those Dial-a-Ride service? I have just looked at the site and it claims to have over 8000 coaches out across Great Britain.

JS477 wrote: »

This may have been due to the mindset some people have that because they've worked for X years they're therefore entitled to Y. You see this a lot on benefits forums where the overriding query when someone e.g. finds out they they're pregnant is "what am I entitled to".

You can't really blame some people for having this mindset when they've been told that your NICs will protect you in later life should you fall too sick to work. However the tories have began to dismantle that principle.

Apart from the "entitled to" culture, there is the stupidity of a nation that thinks that if they put a small amount aside, it "entitles" them to a far higher sum. A 30 year old today is expected to have a pension period equal in time or even longer than their working life. Just try the Math, a person working and earning £461 a week (which is supposed to be the national average) pays only £37.50 in NI. National Insurance contributions pay towards the NHS, unemployment benefits, sickness and disability allowances and the state pension.

Take all the other items out, an average working person and there are many on here who cannot work only pays £37.50 a week in today's terms towards wanting a payout of £160.00 (Governments guaranteed pension). If someone works from 20 to 65 that's 45 years. If they live to 85 (the average life expectancy) that's a withdrawal period of 20 years. £37.50 x 52 x 45 = £87,750. Against £160.00 x 52 x 20 = £208,000. Leaving a minus of £120,250

What about the other benefits? It does not even account for the other benefits.

Brassedoff

nannytone wrote: »

so only wheelchair users find public transport difficult to access?

to get anywhere from where i live, i would have to use a busy interchange.
trying that during peak times would be almost impossible.

what about those with learning disabilities? - can be shown to use it
those with mental health conditions? - Either would have been shown or could be shown how to use it.
those who are visually impaired or blind? Stick or Dog as has been the case for over 50 years. Living not far from the RNIB's dog training centre, I see dozens of dogs going onto the bus, taxi, cars, shops, in fact everywhere.

One thing I have never seen is the Evil Kenevil of wheelchair users who can:

Jump the gap between the curb and step of the bus
Bunny hop up the bus or coach stairs
Go upstairs on the bus
Navigate between the bus shelter and people standing in the way.
Traverse between wheel chair and seat

Shall I go on? No, didn't think so? Or are we back to my disability is worse than your disability?

The Physically disabled cannot climb a mountain. The Blind have climbed Everest!

schrodie

Brassedoff wrote: »

Shall I go on?

No, I really really wouldn't bother...........pretty please!!

KxMx

Brassedoff wrote: »

I know this sidelines this debate (although some on here take anything written personally and are incapable of debate) but why does the Labour Party and Vince Cable claim we need to maintain mass immigration to fill the jobs that are vacant if we have an unemployment rate of 7.4%?

Is the problem that people want "the job" instead of a job (before then looking to move to their preferred job or vocation?)

Because being a member of the EU compels us legally to let migrants come here if they want to. Basically it's a smokescreen because they cannot come out and say "EU says we must let people in sorry nothing we can do" Just like banging on about cracking down on non-EU immigrations is a smokescreen. That and maintaining we need migrants to fill jobs are useful ways of deflecting voters attention from the real issue: they can't stop EU immigration!

Brassedoff

schrodie wrote: »

No, I really really wouldn't bother...........pretty please!!

lol, you a funny (I am being friendly):beer:

skintmacflint

dori2o wrote: »

So if you don't use one of these methods of mobilising you have no excuse for not being able to commute to work or be able to maintain employment despite your disability?

Why do you and some others, insist on continually twisting a comment from someone into something totally different, usually at the absolute other end of the scale. It's very defensive bahviour.

I'd suggest what was actually meant was out of the majority of people who don't need mobility scooters there will be a reasonable proportion of people for whom using PT is not a problem to get to work.

dori2o

skintmacflint wrote: »

Why do you and some others, insist on continually twisting a comment from someone into something totally different, usually at the absolute other end of the scale. It's very defensive bahviour.

I'd suggest what was actually meant was out of the majority of people who don't need mobility scooters there will be a reasonable proportion of people for whom using PT is not a problem to get to work.

Then you would be wrong. The poster has already clarified their position on the post.

If people want to continually tell the sick and disabled that they are scroungers, that they can absolutely work no matter what condition they have (including being in a permanent vegetative state according to one or 2 posters on here), that they should just get on with it, then those same disabled people have a right to fight back.

The truth is some sick and disabled people can work, some cannot. It is that simple.

It is also a fact that it is not the physical act of working that is stopping some of these people from working, it is the inability, due to their condition, to actually commute to work, whether on public transport or not.

Thats why there needs to be a massive overhaul in the help that is available for employers and disabled people who want to work but find far too many obstacles in their way through no fault of their own.

Increase grants for employers, reduce or abolish employers NI for each disabled worker they employ, provide incentives for employers, especially in customer service sectors such as call centres etc, to allow disabled workers to work from home.

There is much that can be done that is not being done.

Then again it is easier for Cameron, Osborne, IDS, McVey Alexander and the rest of the benefit bashers in Government and across the UK to label all the disabled as lazy, !!!!less, scroungers.

schrodie

Brassedoff wrote: »

lol, you a funny (I am being friendly)

Thank you for being a friendly!

nannytone_2

Brassedoff wrote: »

what about those with learning disabilities? - can be shown to use it
those with mental health conditions? - Either would have been shown or could be shown how to use it.
those who are visually impaired or blind? Stick or Dog as has been the case for over 50 years. Living not far from the RNIB's dog training centre, I see dozens of dogs going onto the bus, taxi, cars, shops, in fact everywhere.

One thing I have never seen is the Evil Kenevil of wheelchair users who can:

Jump the gap between the curb and step of the bus
Bunny hop up the bus or coach stairs
Go upstairs on the bus
Navigate between the bus shelter and people standing in the way.
Traverse between wheel chair and seat

Shall I go on? No, didn't think so? Or are we back to my disability is worse than your disability?

The Physically disabled cannot climb a mountain. The Blind have climbed Everest!

just because someone can be taught to use public transport, doesnt mean that they would be able to cope when putting it into practice.

also, guide dogs cant read ( as far as i am aware) and buses frequently use the wrong stops in the interchange at busy times'
i am not saying it is impossible, but you do like to over simplify other peoples issues.

i live in a rural area and all our buses are wheelchair accessible.
even with a cane/dog, trying to make sense of a crowded, noisy place can be, at best, daunting and at worst, incredibly frightening