After the Work Programme

donnajunkie

sensibleadvice wrote: »

For some office jobs you may not be capable. You've excluded every office job.

Quite odd considering using a PC, photocopier, filing, taking calls/messages, maintaining records, resolving queries etc are junior office functions and you do all those as part of job seeking.

Yet when there's training offered to make you more cut out you're looking for excuses to call the provider rather than see it as an opportunity to become capable of doing many of those jobs you're choosing to exclude yourself from.

will an employer accept someone who is very slow at typing? i slag off the training because its not worth anything. the certificate is fancy toilet paper. it wont get me any nearer to becoming capable of getting and keeping a job in that area.

Denning.

Poor keyboard skills because of what?

sensibleadvice

donnajunkie wrote: »

i think what we have here is someone incapable of understanding very basic things. in that highlighted sentence it does not say i refuse to apply for a job i can get and do. stating that i dont think i will ever work in an office means i dont think i am capable of getting or keeping such a job.

NEVER going to work in an office excludes EVERY office job. Even the poorest applicants would be capable of doing SOME office jobs. And certainly those that can evidence they can post to a basic level on a forum. Cue "i can post on a forum but doesn't mean I can hold an office job down' type responses.

When it comes to JSA you're quick to call AO's on all manner of technical points relating to claiming. Add research to AO level to job seeking skills such as PC use, photocopier, filing, taking calls/messages, maintaining records, resolving queries, an office job becomes very feasible, certainly at AA level. Then there's private companies that may have even lower job requirements.

So saying you're not capable is no excuse. Convenient, but no excuse.

sensibleadvice

donnajunkie wrote: »

i have poor keyboard skills and am hopeless on the phone. many jobs require previous experience or some sort of qualification.

Yet you still think you might complete the training course ahead of schedule?

donnajunkie wrote: »

today was the day for me to start my computer course. i was told it would be every wednesday afternoon. that was a lie. i turned up today expecting to start only to get told all i would be doing is a questionaire to find out what i know and what i dont know. why couldnt they have given me this to do at home? i had also been made to believe i would work on it as quickly or slowly as i wish. today i discovered its 30 hours which have to be done in 3 weeks. so much for working at my own pace then. it didnt occur to me at the time but when i finally start next week i will look forward to asking what if i get the work done before the 30 hours is up.

sensibleadvice

donnajunkie wrote: »

will an employer accept someone who is very slow at typing? i slag off the training because its not worth anything. the certificate is fancy toilet paper. it wont get me any nearer to becoming capable of getting and keeping a job in that area.

I suspect you'd manage to phone to query your benefit not being paid in, or query a possible sanction. Then be able to articulate the response on here.

Chester666666

donnajunkie wrote: »

will an employer accept someone who is very slow at typing? i slag off the training because its not worth anything. the certificate is fancy toilet paper. it wont get me any nearer to becoming capable of getting and keeping a job in that area.

A lot of these schemes idea of training fits that description

AP007

donnajunkie wrote: »

i have poor keyboard skills and am hopeless on the phone. many jobs require previous experience or some sort of qualification.

Not for office junior they don't and data entry normally only use of the number keyboard which is no different to texting fast or using a calculator.

Why hopeless on the phone too? More practice makes better on the phone!

donnajunkie

sensibleadvice wrote: »

NEVER going to work in an office excludes EVERY office job. Even the poorest applicants would be capable of doing SOME office jobs. And certainly those that can evidence they can post to a basic level on a forum. Cue "i can post on a forum but doesn't mean I can hold an office job down' type responses.

When it comes to JSA you're quick to call AO's on all manner of technical points relating to claiming. Add research to AO level to job seeking skills such as PC use, photocopier, filing, taking calls/messages, maintaining records, resolving queries, an office job becomes very feasible, certainly at AA level. Then there's private companies that may have even lower job requirements.

So saying you're not capable is no excuse. Convenient, but no excuse.

you do not see how long it takes me to do a post. i have to spend time putting right all the mistakes and even then the eagle eyed of you still like to highlight mistakes that remain. if theres an office job that does not require use of a computer, use of a telephone and previous experience then i would have a chance. if i see a job advertised that fits that i will go for it.

donnajunkie

sensibleadvice wrote: »

Yet you still think you might complete the training course ahead of schedule?

it does not require those skills. it is a little tougher than i expected but that is partly because i find the subject so dull. still got 83% in my first exam today.

donnajunkie

sensibleadvice wrote: »

I suspect you'd manage to phone to query your benefit not being paid in, or query a possible sanction. Then be able to articulate the response on here.

but they dont expect the same level of quality from my telephone technique that an employer would.