After the Work Programme

csmw

iammumtoone wrote: »

Ah my apologises I didn't realise that I read on here (and I have no reason to believe people are lying) that the referral for 'not actively seeking work' is automatic and you don't get your chance to have a say. In fact there is a thread running at the moment that a claimant can't even get the information out of the JC what jobs they were suppose to apply for yet alone get a chance to say why they didn't.

No its wrong, I'm a linked advisor so do them daily. ASE refferal templates have the following questions for the customer to answer.

what steps did you take during the period on what dates
what jobs did you apply for during the period..details
did anything prevent you from looking for work
what were you doing in the previous 2 weeks.

sensibleadvice

iammumtoone wrote: »

I did realise by what you wrote you agreed with me, what I am saying is just because two people see it the same it doesn't mean the third will. I wouldn't think of it as an adviser/DM being 'more nasty' I just don't know what they would view as 'reasonable' especially if it was on the cusp as you put it.

Reasonable people take a reasonable stance with other reasonable people. I'm sure the third party JC folk would see it pretty as you have it.

sniggings

mro wrote: »

Most sensible experienced advisors have learnt it's a waste of time, when they're meant to be helping people get a job.

they are not there to help you into work, they are there to make sure you follow the rules...may not sound much of a difference but in practice it's massive.

iammumtoone

csmw wrote: »

No its wrong, I'm a linked advisor so do them daily. ASE refferal templates have the following questions for the customer to answer.

what steps did you take during the period on what dates
what jobs did you apply for during the period..details
did anything prevent you from looking for work
what were you doing in the previous 2 weeks.

Those do sound fair and reasonable. When doing this does the adviser tell you the job(s) they thought you should have applied for so you get to answer the questions regarding the jobs you are being refer to sanction for not applying for?

AP007

csmw wrote: »

No its wrong, I'm a linked advisor so do them daily. ASE refferal templates have the following questions for the customer to answer.

what steps did you take during the period on what dates
what jobs did you apply for during the period..details
did anything prevent you from looking for work
what were you doing in the previous 2 weeks.

I show my JC lists of these already. I have a list of sites used, spec letters sent and when, all the jobs I have applied for etc

I have no idea what the ASE referral is however.

csmw

iammumtoone wrote: »

Those do sound fair and reasonable. When doing this does the adviser tell you the job(s) they thought you should have applied for so you get to answer the questions regarding the jobs you are being refer to sanction for not applying for?

No because it wouldn't be on that basis alone these are the questions we answer (may not be the exact wording)

does customer have a jsag or cc
Referring to the jsag/cc why do you feel the customer has not made their best efforts to find employment?
how many steps has customer agreed too.
how many steps has customer actually taken.
were there any jobs during the period that cust could have applied for( etc 3 on ujm, 4 on indeed exact jobs not required)
is customer a wp participant... if yes
has customer engaged with wp during the period
did anything wp ask customer to do restrict on j/s

csmw

AP007 wrote: »

I show my JC lists of these already. I have a list of sites used, spec letters sent and when, all the jobs I have applied for etc

I have no idea what the ASE referral is however.

ASE Refferal is an Actively Seeking Employment Referral. To the DM

mro

csmw wrote: »

Claimant commitments are being rolled out, they will eventually replace the jsags

https://www.gov.uk/government/policies/simplifying-the-welfare-system-and-making-sure-work-pays/supporting-pages/introducing-the-jobseekers-allowance-claimant-commitment

some info here.

Just in time for the next election.

Will probably be as successful as Universal Jobmatch, which Iain Duncan Smith said would revolutionise jobseeking.

http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/tag/universal-jobmatch/

csmw

mro wrote: »

Just in time for the next election.

Will probably be as successful as Universal Jobmatch, which Iain Duncan Smith said would revolutionise jobseeking.

http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/tag/universal-jobmatch/

That link has to be the most ridiculous thing anyone has posted on here.

mro

csmw wrote: »

No because it wouldn't be on that basis alone these are the questions we answer (may not be the exact wording)

does customer have a jsag or cc
Referring to the jsag/cc why do you feel the customer has not made their best efforts to find employment?
how many steps has customer agreed too.
how many steps has customer actually taken.
were there any jobs during the period that cust could have applied for( etc 3 on ujm, 4 on indeed exact jobs not required)
is customer a wp participant... if yes
has customer engaged with wp during the period
did anything wp ask customer to do restrict on j/s

So can the customer go home to get further information ?