After the Work Programme

donnajunkie

sensibleadvice wrote: »

You were complaining that "it is a waste of time" asking where to put a cover letter, you "already know their response. they will say you cant attach one and they agree its silly that you cant." So acknowledgement there's a barrier to finding employment.

You acknowledge solution of attaching a tailored cv with cover letter at the front, all as one attachment. Barrier removed.

More discussion on barriers until OP complained it was off topic, even though their barriers to finding work were discussed months ago.

I dare suggest that barriers might be with the individuals rather than systems, WP etc and it's dismissed as off topic.

OK, on topic, what happens after WP? As evidenced 6 months on, claimant continues to blame everything and everyone for their predicament and remains in the same situation. They rule out any barriers that put them in the spotlight as 'not for dicussion' and status quo remains.

i refered to my own barriers in which i said i dont want to talk about. you then suggested starting another thread about barriers. you are right some are with individual and can be overcome but as i said ages ago some cant. you can only suggest barriers that have been mentioned maybe overcome. you cant assume all barriers can be overcome, especially those that havent been mentioned.

sensibleadvice

donnajunkie wrote: »

i refered to my own barriers in which i said i dont want to talk about. you then suggested starting another thread about barriers. you are right some are with individual and can be overcome but as i said ages ago some cant. you can only suggest barriers that have been mentioned maybe overcome. you cant assume all barriers can be overcome, especially those that havent been mentioned.

If people choose to post negative comments blaming systems, WP etc yet at the same time choose not to post other barriers that may be preventing them finding work that's their prerogative. But then it's a bit rich to expect others to pander to their failure to find work when they are likely only selectively posting what suits their agenda.

People form opinions on what is posted and also what isn't, especially if there's a posting pattern that's evasive, selective, of a certain mindset, calling those trying to help them nasty etc and on he balance of probability they're probably right.

stix62

Has anyone mentioned the age barrier?

You can't put back time and get over that one no matter what.

donnajunkie

sensibleadvice wrote: »

If people choose to post negative comments blaming systems, WP etc yet at the same time choose not to post other barriers that may be preventing them finding work that's their prerogative. But then it's a bit rich to expect others to pander to their failure to find work when they are likely only selectively posting what suits their agenda.

People form opinions on what is posted and also what isn't, especially if there's a posting pattern that's evasive, selective, of a certain mindset, calling those trying to help them nasty etc and on he balance of probability they're probably right.

the criticism they voice may actually be valid but of course you have ruled that out. also assuming the worst about people isnt exactly a positive thing to do is it. perhaps thats where the nasty accusations come from.

sensibleadvice

donnajunkie wrote: »

the criticism they voice may actually be valid but of course you have ruled that out. also assuming the worst about people isnt exactly a positive thing to do is it. perhaps thats where the nasty accusations come from.

You mean like assuming how nasty an advisor is? Or ruling out how nice and helpful the advisor may be? Or generic comments like "yes they do like to try and make you feel bad dont they"?

It's your prerogative to hold the view you choose, however ill informed it may be.

All that said I've re-read #2103 to check I've not ruled out valid critique and the post stands.

Podge52

sensibleadvice wrote: »

You mean like assuming how nasty an advisor is? Or ruling out how nice and helpful the advisor may be? Or generic comments like "yes they do like to try and make you feel bad dont they"?

It's your prerogative to hold the view you choose, however ill informed it may be.

All that said I've re-read #2103 to check I've not ruled out valid critique and the post stands.

Nobody is saying that the wp, gvt, etc. are barriers to finding work they're saying how unhelpful they are.

Which is why I asked you if you knew the difference between unhelpful and obstructive.

Either you don't or it doesn't suit your agenda to admit it.

sensibleadvice

Podge52 wrote: »

Nobody is saying that the wp, gvt, etc. are barriers to finding work they're saying how unhelpful they are.

Which is why I asked you if you knew the difference between unhelpful and obstructive.

Either you don't or it doesn't suit your agenda to admit it.

If people can't recognise their negative mindset it'll continue to be a barrier to finding work and foster other barriers.

If just one of the nay sayers takes that on board and changes their approach that's a step in the right direction. If highlighting that touches a nerve then guilty as charged, tough love an all that. Ooops there goes the hidden agenda.

Podge52

sensibleadvice wrote: »

If people can't recognise their negative mindset it'll continue to be a barrier to finding work and foster other barriers.

If just one of the nay sayers takes that on board and changes their approach that's a step in the right direction. If highlighting that touches a nerve then guilty as charged, tough love an all that. Ooops there goes the hidden agenda.

There's only you saying they have a negative mindset. This thread was started for people to post their post wp experiences and they have. The reality is that the governments role in trying to get the long term unemployed into work has been a diabolical disaster.

Do you want people to lie and say they had a great positive experience?

stix62

sensibleadvice wrote: »

If people can't recognise their negative mindset it'll continue to be a barrier to finding work and foster other barriers.

If just one of the nay sayers takes that on board and changes their approach that's a step in the right direction. If highlighting that touches a nerve then guilty as charged, tough love an all that. Ooops there goes the hidden agenda.

This 'negative mindset' is brought on by the likes of the Work Program.

When I first went along I was looking forward to it because I was under the misapprehension it might actually help get me back into work. I actually believed some of the sale s pitch they were throwing out.
When you realise there is nothing they can do for you and their 'pitch' was a pack of lies, are you supposed to feel enthused?

sensibleadvice

Podge52 wrote: »

There's only you saying they have a negative mindset. This thread was started for people to post their post wp experiences and they have. The reality is that the governments role in trying to get the long term unemployed into work has been a diabolical disaster.

Do you want people to lie and say they had a great positive experience?

That's my observation, long term claimants adamant that the cause of their unemployment and finding work lies with someone else. Negative post wp experiences expecting others to sort their problems as you've evidenced here.

Why shouldn't the long term unemployed take responsibility for their own situation?