UK needs +7 Million immigrants to keep debt down

TruckerT

CLAPTON wrote: »

Young people get older as the years go by

Uk is a self sufficient entity with no shortage of energy or food; no balance of payment problems, no unemployment problems, no housing problems , no infrastructure issues

Young foreigners may well, once they are nicely settled invite, their parents and grandparents to come to the UK to live with them


Obviously Hamish knows that young people don't age and has written guarantees for each and every immigrant that they won't invite (older, unproductive ) family to come and live here.

It's a winner 100,million, 200 million, the more the better (and of course one or two may actually go to Scotland)

I totally agree with you, but the initial quote, at the top of Hamish's original post, appeared to come from the OBR.

That's worrying!

TruckerT

CLAPTON

TruckerT wrote: »

I totally agree with you, but the initial quote, at the top of Hamish's original post, appeared to come from the OBR.

That's worrying!

TruckerT

So far the OBR has been consistently wrong about everything they have forecast.

TruckerT

CLAPTON wrote: »

So far the OBR has been consistently wrong about everything they have forecast.

O rite - so where should I go in order to find something more reliable?

TruckerT

Sampong

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Immigrants of young working age (as most are) will pay a full tax load for their working lives, but cost society less as we don't have to pay for their birth, childhood care, and education.

So even if we pay them a pension, it's a net fiscal gain to society.

You haven't mentioned the significant cost of providing translation service to the NHS, Police, and other government agencies including welfare.The fact that it takes the Police hours to fill out reports for crimes commited within immigrant communities due to the language barrier. The economy incurs huge costs as a result of immigration and you seem to want to disregard these and just assume a net fiscal gain due to the fact that they don't get here until age 20.

I would actually be prepared listen to a reasoned argument form the other side but this is completely nuts.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

tberry6686 wrote: »

The only true way out of this situation is to stop spending more than we take in.

The other way out is to take in more than we spend.

CLAPTON

TruckerT wrote: »

O rite - so where should I go in order to find something more reliable?

TruckerT

maybe try to engage the brain?

Sampong

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2013/07/how-many-immigrants-would-satisfy-the-obr/

The trouble with the OBR – like so many official and unofficial bodies – is that it views immigration solely as an issue of economics. And this despite the fact that the leaders of both the Conservative and Labour parties have conceded that immigration on the scale of recent years was not only wrong but is societally unsustainable.

But even more striking is the OBR’s claim that mass immigration is necessary to sustain an ageing population. To sustain this belief you must either believe that this whole new generation of immigrants is going to come to Britain, work here and then return to their countries of origin. Or the OBR has overlooked the fate of all mankind.

For if these new immigrants do indeed come and stay then they will – sad to say – grow old like the rest of us. Which means that in the following decade we will need even more people to prop up the increasingly ageing population that we imported during the previous one. And so on and so on. Perhaps the OBR could tell us how many people they envisage eventually coming into this country?

Personally I think the OBR may have overlooked the fate of all mankind.........

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Sampong wrote: »

You haven't mentioned the significant cost of providing translation service .

You should probably let the highly trained economists at the OBR know that they forgot to include translation costs in their assessment.

I'm sure they'll immediately retract the report and apologise.

And it's not surprising that some sections of the media have reacted with faux-outrage at this honest and independent assessment of the country's finances.

Those same sections of the media are at the heart of the problem, providing biased and dishonest stories to sell copies of their rags and stir up the little englanders.

Sampong

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/07/give-me-your-tired-your-poor-your-huddled-masses-but-first-make-schools-better/

Sampong

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

You should probably let the highly trained economists at the OBR know that they forgot to include translation costs in their assessment.

No - I shouldn't.

You'd expect a highly trained economist to account for that anyway.