neutering ? I dont get it ?

Pechow

They're correct, and it's easy enough to find anecdotal evidence, but oddly enough so far (a whole five or so minutes) it's not easy to find the physiological reason why. There's mention that it takes up to a few months for all the testosterone to leave the body, but little information about after that.

http://drsophiayin.com/blog/entry/neutered-male-dogs-can-still-have-sex <-this is written by a vet, and says

"Your neutered dog can still have sex. The take home message here is that if you neuter your dog, don’t worry, he can still have sex - if he wants. Most likely he won’t want to. With the lower testosterone levels he won’t have a red hot libido. But neutering doesn’t remove all sexual behaviors. That’s because the circulating testosterone in young male puppies causes brain changes that masculinize them. These changes lead to increased urination on vertical surfaces, increased exploring of the environment, and clearly in some cases, increased mounting and even mating of dogs who are in heat."

So without looking into it more yet, maybe it's instinct triggered by the scent of a female in heat, and they're more likely to respond the later they were neutered? With a dash of "this feels good, keep doing it" and they end up actually mating.

Paradigm

Person_one wrote: »

Sorry to sound skeptical, but do you have a link to more information? I'm wondering where the testosterone would be coming from.

I didn't search for links 'cos I've seen it What links would you need ?

I very quickly found this http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?A=1373&S=1 but dunno if that's good enough?

Person_one

Its ok, the poster above you was helpful.

(I'm still pro-neutering though, sorry!)

Paradigm

Person_one wrote: »

Its ok, the poster above you was helpful.

(I'm still pro-neutering though, sorry!)

Then we agree to disagree, no problem

peachyprice

Pechow wrote: »

They're correct, and it's easy enough to find anecdotal evidence, but oddly enough so far (a whole five or so minutes) it's not easy to find the physiological reason why. There's mention that it takes up to a few months for all the testosterone to leave the body, but little information about after that.

http://drsophiayin.com/blog/entry/neutered-male-dogs-can-still-have-sex <-this is written by a vet, and says



So without looking into it more yet, maybe it's instinct triggered by the scent of a female in heat, and they're more likely to respond the later they were neutered? With a dash of "this feels good, keep doing it" and they end up actually mating.

So it sounds like it's from behaviour learned as a puppy before castration, which makes perfect sense.

Which should mean if you have your pup castrated before he learns any of these testosterone triggered behaviours he won't learn them afterwards. Explains why my dog pee's like a girl too.

Person_one

peachyprice wrote: »

So it sounds like it's from behaviour learned as a puppy before castration, which makes perfect sense.

Which should mean if you have your pup castrated before he learns any of these testosterone triggered behaviours he won't learn them afterwards. Explains why my dog pee's like a girl too.

..and why the only dog I've ever had who humps was the one who was neutered long after reaching maturity.

lostinrates

We've had several dogs neutered at various ages for various reasons. I would usually choose to neuter my pet dogs, for various reasons, I happen to have two unspayed female dogs and a young unneutered male dog right now. Both girls were planned to be spayed after their early spring season but had something happen every time I booked the wretched ops, until we reluctantly decided to postpone til after this season. From experience with one of the breeds, they have a tendency to the 'female cancers' left unspayed, and more mammary cancers.

It was never, ever planned to have entires of different sexes at the same time, and having been brought up with dogs in this situation ( sometimes used for breeding and showing) I find it difficult for them and for us.

If we lived in anything remotely built up or relied on public walking spaces I'd feel even more uncomfortable. Luckily our young male dog, while being kept separate, is confused about being separate from his friends and obviously saddened at that, he seems a bit oblivious as to why.


We have only ever had 'sexual' problems with one male dog who was bought in as an adult. He became very determined when ever girls were in season, beyond what was safe or reasonable for the girls or any people. He was 'cut' and we were extremely lucky that this resolved his issue and he became a wonderful pet, and a much happier and more relaxed guy. None of our others have 'humped' or anything, inappropriately.

My three dogs are pets and somewhat inept workers, pup was to show but sadly I don't think he will be 'good' enough but he's a beloved pet anyway. Thus no need to keep any of them entire, and the sooner I can get them all done the better IMO. If only the girls would agree and not get tummy upsets or have car breakdowns or other disasters on the days I book them in! I hate the disruption to their lives by seasons, and they seem to as well.

Celli

peachyprice wrote: »

So it sounds like it's from behaviour learned as a puppy before castration, which makes perfect sense.

Which should mean if you have your pup castrated before he learns any of these testosterone triggered behaviours he won't learn them afterwards. Explains why my dog pee's like a girl too.

You'd have to neuter as soon as the puppy popped out for that to work, My last boy was cocking his leg at just ten weeks old, yet his brother pee's like a girl.
I think the mechanisim for being male is a bit more complicated than getting them done before they've learnt to be boys.

Person_one

Celli wrote: »

You'd have to neuter as soon as the puppy popped out for that to work, My last boy was cocking his leg at just ten weeks old, yet his brother pee's like a girl.
I think the mechanisim for being male is a bit more complicated than getting them done before they've learnt to be boys.

There are male dogs who squat to pee though, and plenty of rescues will neuter pups very young rather than relying on the new owners to get round to it in time. I realise this is controversial and I'm not commenting on whether its right, just that it happens!

Celli

Found a bit of research on the subject but for some reason I can't copy and paste, hopefully this link will show the relevant chapter.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=xrQEsNDwyaEC&pg=PT113&lpg=PT113&dq=in+utero+male+puppies&source=bl&ots=X5PtFa1XCj&sig=r1PBki2tOzRwznVbIMZtq9hwFYE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tmboUa6qLcGxhAe45IGIDQ&ved=0CD

Bum, it didn't work.
Yeah it does happen, as to the rights and wrongs, well, each to their own, I just find it a fascinating subject .