Dog and a neighbour

candjsmum

Person_one wrote: »

Loads of people do, its a big thing now and is apparently ok.

Oh, and you're supposed to call it a 'crate', cage makes it sound too much like what it really is.

Sorry but I have to disagree. :mad: I only ever used mine when she was a pup until she was house trained, and then only at night. What you are saying is definitely not the norm and is not fair. My collie was house trained totally by 11 weeks and only then went into her "crate" to sleep. The door was always open and we stopped using it when she was 6 months. I can understand OP's dog barking if it is locked up all day. Maybe she needs to look at this as being the cause if it is happening. .

chris_n_tj

I use a crate for Ollie. In fact I have 2 crates in my kitchen, Ollies and Dexters (my Daughters dog) Olie goes in his crate for an hour in the afternoon with the door shut and If I go out without him. He sleeps in his crate at night with the door shut.

Dexter on the other hand goes in his crate when he feels like it, but he is older. His door isnt closed at night, but he takes himself to bed when he is ready. He has the run of the house both here and at home.When Ollie gets older I know he will have the door left open like Dexter.

If they are used in the correct manner then crates are fine. Its the ones that stick a dog in a crate for hours upon hours thats wrong, and I have seen dogs in crates far too small the poor dogs cant even streach out.
I dont mind calling it a crate or a cage, for our dogs its their safe haven where they know they can go whenever they like and not be dissturbed. Dexter knows that sometimes he will be locked in, but it doesnt bother him. Ollie goes in his and knows that the door will be closed at some point.

The other thing is, I am at home all the time, I rarely go out and if I do the dog/dogs go with us. Maybe 2 hours a week Ollie is home alone, so mine are crated/caged for as much their benifit as it is mine.

Another advantage of crate training is if your dog has to undergo treatment at the VEts and they have to be kept quiet and calm. A crate/cage trained dog will have no problems what so ever, unlike many that are not. x

Person_one

candjsmum wrote: »

Sorry but I have to disagree. :mad: I only ever used mine when she was a pup until she was house trained, and then only at night. What you are saying is definitely not the norm and is not fair. My collie was house trained totally by 11 weeks and only then went into her "crate" to sleep. The door was always open and we stopped using it when she was 6 months. I can understand OP's dog barking if it is locked up all day. Maybe she needs to look at this as being the cause if it is happening. .

Obviously sarcasm doesn't come across well on screen.

calicocat

m0nkeymrs01 wrote: »

Agree also with spasguidedogs I recorded mine at the height of the trouble!

I didn't have any trouble, but I recorded my GSD when she was a pup as she would scream when I left and I wanted to know how long she did it for as I would come back to a demolished house.

Only way you will know is to record it.

ohreally

MoneySavingVal wrote: »

I cant believe your neighbours had the cheek to post that letter without writing who it was from!

The neighbour may be fearful of reprisals resulting from identifing themselves. If violence was possible would you identify yourself - no, though not.

Dimey

chris_n_tj wrote: »

I use a crate for Ollie. In fact I have 2 crates in my kitchen, Ollies and Dexters (my Daughters dog) Olie goes in his crate for an hour in the afternoon with the door shut and If I go out without him. He sleeps in his crate at night with the door shut.

Dexter on the other hand goes in his crate when he feels like it, but he is older. His door isnt closed at night, but he takes himself to bed when he is ready. He has the run of the house both here and at home.When Ollie gets older I know he will have the door left open like Dexter.

If they are used in the correct manner then crates are fine. Its the ones that stick a dog in a crate for hours upon hours thats wrong, and I have seen dogs in crates far too small the poor dogs cant even streach out.
I dont mind calling it a crate or a cage, for our dogs its their safe haven where they know they can go whenever they like and not be dissturbed. Dexter knows that sometimes he will be locked in, but it doesnt bother him. Ollie goes in his and knows that the door will be closed at some point.

The other thing is, I am at home all the time, I rarely go out and if I do the dog/dogs go with us. Maybe 2 hours a week Ollie is home alone, so mine are crated/caged for as much their benifit as it is mine.

Another advantage of crate training is if your dog has to undergo treatment at the VEts and they have to be kept quiet and calm. A crate/cage trained dog will have no problems what so ever, unlike many that are not. x

I can't get into the dog owner psyche at all. It seems cruel to me to close a dog in a cage/crate for anything other than travelling to a vet.

Being in a cage overnight with the door shut is hours upon hours isn't it? What if he wants a wee or a drink?

I don't want to be rude but dogs aren't hamsters. Surely they need to stretch and move and feel free.

I can't see what benefit the owner gets by caging. If trained properly, what harm can they do not caged? They must bark more if they're caged.

Is there an expert who can shed some light on this. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree??

iammumtoone

I am a non dog owner and have just read though this thread. I too cannot understand why anyone would want to keep an animal in a locked cage/crate? I understand the reasons for using them if the doors are left open as it is good for an animal to have somewhere to rest/hide where they feel safe if they need to. I can also see the advantages of using them while the door is shut if you are in the house to give you chance to get on with something (this is not much different to mothers putting toddlers in a play pen).

But I cannot understand why you would leave a dog in a locked crate while you are out, is this how they were designed to be used? and why?

chris_n_tj

I will answer the best way i can.

Yes dogs can be trained, but this isnt done overnight with a puppy. It takes time, which I have plenty of. Once I feel its safe for him the crate door will be left open as it is for my Daughters dog. (Daughters dog stays with us one day a week so he isnt home alone)

The reason I leave my puppy in a crate when I go out is the same as bedtime. to keep him safe. If you read my post you will see that the older dogs crate is rarely closed, which will happen with my dog before long. As i said I rarely leave the house, and if I do then dog comes with us. The only time he would be alone is if i have to go somewhere he isnt allowed. My dog weighs in at 4 kgs, you could fit 6 in his crate as its a large one, in fact my Grand daughter took a liking to it the other day and sat in it until i saw her and turfed her out.

When we go out in the car we dont use a crate we have a doggie carseat, yes you read it right a doggie carseat. It keep him safe and he is able to look out of the window.




My puppies crate is his bed, its his safe haven, Yes he has the door closed at night form 10pm ish intil 4am ish. He has water and it means he is safe from harm IE; puppies chew so I would hate him to injure himself.
He has an hours sleep in the afternoon after his walk, just like a toddler has an afternoon nap i guess. His little legs need a rest.

edited to add
the crate door is open at all other times and Ollie goes in and out whenever he wants. Which he does there is no force used x

iammumtoone

chris_n_tj wrote: »

I will answer the best way i can.

Yes dogs can be trained, but this isnt done overnight with a puppy. It takes time, which I have plenty of. Once I feel its safe for him the crate door will be left open as it is for my Daughters dog. (Daughters dog stays with us one day a week so he isnt home alone)

The reason I leave my puppy in a crate when I go out is the same as bedtime. to keep him safe. If you read my post you will see that the older dogs crate is rarely closed, which will happen with my dog before long. As i said I rarely leave the house, and if I do then dog comes with us. The only time he would be alone is if i have to go somewhere he isnt allowed. My dog weighs in at 4 kgs, you could fit 6 in his crate as its a large one, in fact my Grand daughter took a liking to it the other day and sat in it until i saw her and turfed her out.

When we go out in the car we dont use a crate we have a doggie carseat, yes you read it right a doggie carseat. It keep him safe and he is able to look out of the window.




My puppies crate is his bed, its his safe haven, Yes he has the door closed at night form 10pm ish intil 4am ish. He has water and it means he is safe from harm IE; puppies chew so I would hate him to injure himself.
He has an hours sleep in the afternoon after his walk, just like a toddler has an afternoon nap i guess. His little legs need a rest.

edited to add
the crate door is open at all other times and Ollie goes in and out whenever he wants. Which he does there is no force used x

Thank you, I can understand that you are training a puppy and you have to put his safety first and when he is old enough you will stop using it (or leave the door open). However the OPs (and others) dog is not a puppy, what justifiable reason would they have to leave a fully trained adult dog locked up?

Dimey

iammumtoone wrote: »

Thank you, I can understand that you are training a puppy and you have to put his safety first and when he is old enough you will stop using it (or leave the door open). However the OPs (and others) dog is not a puppy, what justifiable reason would they have to leave a fully trained adult dog locked up?

Thanks Chris n tj = that I can understand for training but same question from me as iammumtoone above please.