You CAN take more than 100ml of drink on a plane

andrewmoorcroft

WiseInvestor wrote: »

All airport terminals have police close at hand, who are unlikely to treat potential security threats with much kindness or sympathy. A deliberate attempt to circuvent the rules is just asking for trouble!

I guess this is why it was allowed then. I.e. the ice was not a security threat. Can't imagine them letting it though if they thought it was a threat or broke the rules.

I'm not sure if it was a deliberate attempt to circumvent the rules. Before the restrictions i have known people (including myself) freeze food and drink so it is still fresh when they want it the next day. It saves the cost and hassle when you get there and the weight of a freezer block. The guy may have simply checked the new rules to confirm it was still OK to do this. Security rules should be followed to the letter and the traveller followed them and so did security man when he realised he was wrong. You can't have interpetation and ambiguity on such important issues as this and the only incorect interpretation was on the part of the security mans intial thoughts. There is no evidence to confirm that it was his cunning plan to allow a security risk through security.

I still dont know if they really do want to stop frozen water past security and their rules are badly written. I guess they don't mind you taking it if the conclusion was to allow it!

Sarahsaver

SOunds like an urban myth to me. How would you keep the water frozen for long enough to keep it solid for when you go through checkout?

andrewmoorcroft

Sarahsaver wrote: »

SOunds like an urban myth to me. How would you keep the water frozen for long enough to keep it solid for when you go through checkout?

It's true.. look at post 52 for why it would stay frozen during the security check. Look at my past posts... I dont bullsh1t!

Crabman

There would have been a little water at least - how on earth could not a single molecule of water have switched from solid to liquid state? :rotfl:

andrewmoorcroft

Crabman wrote: »

There would have been a little water at least - how on earth could not a single molecule of water have switched from solid to liquid state? :rotfl:

You can take a container of ice at -20C from a freezer and it would take a long time to defrost in an insulated bag. When i saw it intially it was a clean bottle and you could see ice forming from condensation on the outside of the container. The outside of the container must have still been 0C or below for this to happen so definitely no liquid in the bottle when going through security.

Crabman

andrewmoorcroft wrote: »

You can take a container of ice at -20C from a freezer and it would take a long time to defrost in an insulated bag. When i saw it intially it was a clean bottle and you could see ice forming from condensation on the outside of the container. The outside of the container must have still been 0C or below for this to happen so definitely no liquid in the bottle when going through security.

There is no way that every single molecule of water could withstand the kinetic energy from the surroundings outside the bottle and remain below 0C. There's a reason condensation is forming - gaseous water molecules hit the chilled surface of the bottle and lose their kinetic energy, changing into a liquid state. Million dollar question: Where does that energy go? :think:

As energy is being transferred to the solid state water, there's no way that unless he had a freezer van outside the terminal and rushed it straight to security, that there was no liquid in the bottle.

llol_slim

not wishing to be a kill joy .. but hasn't this gone on long enough?

The rules are there, and we have to abide by them. And as said already, I'd prefer to go through that and make it safely to my destination without worry than not got through it and worry, possibly not making it at all.

If one terrorist decides that actually they might not be able to get their bomb etc. through customs, and one plane is saved, then it is well worth it. ALL of it.

It isn't a money making scheme, I would say thats just a bonus for the companies selling on the other side.

The water was frozen.. ice .. yes a little could have melted, but in such a short time, quite possibly not over 100ml, especially in an insulated bag, and anyway who the h£ll actually cares? Clever chap, found a loop-hole, but he pushed his luck, I would call him a security threat, as above, why was he so insistent he take it on, surely he could buy some more when he gets there?

trelfa1966

"The new rules do not limit the liquids that you can buy at shops located beyond the point where you show your boarding pass or on board an aircraft operated by an EU airline," said the European Commission.

Why is it that a liquid cannot be taken through security checks even if it is factory sealed the same way as the liquids are sealed in airport lounges, as far as drinks are concerned would it not be easier to ask the person to take a drink of the liquid, I had a bottle of opened orange juice taken from me and thrown away. also why is it that liquids can be carried in person through the scanners, as I was able to carry a lighter through security, surely a lighter is more dangerous than a bottle of orange.

Sazere

Havent read this thread properly yet but we came back from Majorca on Friday. Dumped all the bottled water we had (we had alot of water as 4 adults and 4 kids in party) at the entrance to the security checkpoint (the one straight after check in as you enter the departure lounge). As there were huge signs everywhere and agents asking you if you were carrying water.

I took a bottle off my 3yr old DD and proceeded through the checks and through the scanner. Little did I realise my 3 yr old had took a new bottle out of the picnic boxes we dumped and was carrying it in her hand. In addition I had 2 bottles in the pocket in the back of the pushchair and my mum had 1 in her hand baggage that she had opened for my 4yr old DS and then put in there when he no longer wanted to hold it on the coach.

No one stopped us, in fact DD walked through the scanner on her own holding hers, lol! The pushchair was scanned as was the hand baggage. But not one of our 4 bottles of water was noticed. Neither was the bottle of rescue remedy, the bongela, the bottle of liquid ambesol (teething stuff) or the bottle of perfume that I forgot about when I was keeping 4 kids together in the huge queue so didn't declare or put in a plastic bag!

trelfa1966

WiseInvestor wrote: »

Most airports will allow Duty Free purchases to be carried onward in hand luggage provided it's kept in a CLEAR, SEALED (ie tamper-proof) plastic bag with a dated, itemised receipt inside. Break the seal (of the bag or the bottle) and it WILL be confiscated.



All airport terminals have police close at hand, who are unlikely to treat potential security threats with much kindness or sympathy. A deliberate attempt to circuvent the rules is just asking for trouble!



Every country has the right to devise its own security policies. The UK government has no right to interfere, although they could ban the airline(s) from entering UK airspace. The more likely solution would be for the airline to stage additional (more restrictive) security screening before boarding the plane - a measure used by British Airways in a number of foreign airports around the World.

The UK is deemed a high risk nation for obvious reasons, which is why our security is usually more rigorous than in other, less controversial countries.



Correct. And denied boarding can/should and does happen - because I've said no on a number of occasions. Drunk passengers can be a danger to themselves and those around them in an emergency situation.



The current scientific thinking is that certain liquids only become potentially dangerous once mixed/distilled with other substances so a bin full of plastic bottles should not pose too great a risk in the terminal building.

Why is then that a cigarette lighter can be taken aboard a plane, surely this is a greater risk to security than an innocent bottle of pop, what about all the liquids on board that can be bought, surely if liquids CAN be mixed together then it is a farce to sell them, not only on board but also in airport lounges.
It seems to me that the security rules are becoming more and more rediculous and the only reason for this is that people are not speaking up for themselves and their rights, after-all we are supposedly living in a democrosy. We also have rights don't we?