The case for identity cards

dryhat

lostinrates wrote: »

Do you feel free now?

No, because every word I write is being monitored to "protect me" from "terrorists".
Just writing that word has probably flagged up some alarm.


To whoever is snooping on me now: Go f*ck yourself.

lostinrates

jamesd wrote: »

I'd rather have loads because that makes it harder to get a complete picture of an individual and decreases the rewards for compromising each of them, instead of having one big and highly rewarding target.

It isn't true that in normal stable countries there are no problems, just the fact of being required to have such a card is a problem, even if abuse is limited. But abuse through such things as private businesses using the identification is likely in such systems, as has happened widely in the US with their social security number, that was originally intended not to be used in that way.

This is absolutely true.....it is a better security spread. But it's also more a fact to fit in a clutch bag . But I am also guessing more expensive to produce multiple replicas of the basic information held on each.....

The problems of I'd card holding in stable countries are no greater than the problems of other fraudulent paper holding anywhere are they?

lostinrates

dryhat wrote: »

No, because every word I write is being monitored to "protect me" from "terrorists".
Just writing that word has probably flagged up some alarm.


To whoever is snooping on me now: Go f*ck yourself.

So why would a card change that?

lostinrates

bugslet wrote: »

Aside from any personal cost, I'm happy with proving my identity via passport or driving license. If I drive, then a license covers that activity; if I go abroad, a passport covers that activity. I don't want an ID card for the activity of just being me.

And ultimately, whatever any authority comes up with in terms of super duper unable to replicate this card gizmos, there will be fake IDs available should you be of the mind to get one and those who wish to operate as terrorists from a well funded organisation, will.

I'm just not sure they solve that much versus the cost involved.

Essentially you already have docs to prove you are just you....a birth certificate for example.

Mr._Pricklepants

dryhat wrote: »

No, because every word I write is being monitored to "protect me" from "terrorists".

I don't think GCHQ is too bothered about what naerlynew's sockie writes on MSE.
Seriously, you're not as important as you think.

dryhat

lostinrates wrote: »

So why would a card change that?

Because the card would afford me some "rights" which can just as easily be taken away. The cards would eventually be needed for everything including internet access.

I don't want to be given the right to do something. I want the freedom to choose.

And unless I'm breaking the law I want to be left alone.
(note breaking the law is not the same as doing something illegal)

dryhat

Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »

I don't think GCHQ is too bothered about what naerlynew's sockie writes on MSE.

How about Hamish's sockies?

bugslet

lostinrates wrote: »

Essentially you already have docs to prove you are just you....a birth certificate for example.

Yes, but I don't have to hand it over to prove who I am. I can't remember the last time I was asked for it. IIRC, part of having ID cards was to either carry them at all times or produce them within a certain time period.

If I'm wearing a coat or jeans, a night out is usually handbag free! I feel this is the real nub of the issue now:rotfl:

nicko33

jamesd wrote: »

Identity cards are more over-reach by people who don't realise that immigration is a good thing and a necessary one to help to keep the bills for pensions and other age-related spending to a manageable percentage of GDP.

Some immigration may be good, but what we have now is neither good nor necessary. Our cushy welfare system is the cause, and that needs to be fixed first. If Filipinos (or whoever) can come here and do minimum wage jobs, and send money home, we should be able to get UK nationals to do that work.

We shouldn't need immigration to fill manual labour positions, we have plenty of idle hands of our own.

grizzly1911

dryhat wrote: »

No, because every word I write is being monitored to "protect me" from "terrorists".
Just writing that word has probably flagged up some alarm.


To whoever is snooping on me now: Go f*ck yourself.

You missed out "US" in your post those two together must make it a 99.9% certainty. Could always add "Communist" to be dead certain.