Getting abuse for "pretending to be disabled"

Parva

trenzalore wrote: »

I give up. I'm disabled enough for the tribunal but not enough for the dvla

so long and good night

Totally our fault, apologies.

tomtom256

trenzalore wrote: »

I give up. I'm disabled enough for the tribunal but not enough for the dvla

so long and good night

Whats the DVLA got to do with it?

LimeLight

Dexters_Indignation wrote: »

I will probably get slated for this but here goes.

If these 2 chaps are intent on causing problems for you and they seem to relish picking on the vulnerable they will not stop until forced to do so.

There are 2 options to deal with this.

1. Report this to the police, there is specific legislation that will mean the police have to act on these hate crimes. Having said this, I suspect that the police will do everything in there power not to bother! In fact there laziness in such matters is beyond belief (Really, I would not even bother trying to explain what I once witnessed and the attiude of the police as no one would believe it.

2. Wait outside the local probation office, violent pub or a local prison. Explain in detail to the passers by what has happened and who the culprits are. They will deal with it in a fair and quick manor.

The latter of the two options has other benefits too.
It won't cost the tax payer one penny! As the justice is being given out the culprits can be advised of this. (We would not wish them to think that you were abusing the state!) I doubt they would ever do it again!


This advice may be a joke?

Well, I've done the first idea, maybe It's time for idea number 2 lol

dktreesea

dori2o wrote: »

It's never going to happen.

Even if they stopped all disability benefits they wouldn't increase spending to the extent that would be required to ensure the disabled people were properly looked after either through social/community care or via the NHS. The costs involved would far outweigh the savings from abolishing the benefit.

The most cost effective way of operating is the way the system operates now, give the monmey to the claimant and let them decide how best this money be utilised to help with their condition.

If that means paying household bills with it so be it.

if that means the claimant can reduce the number of hours they work, thus helping to better manage the condition then so be it. if that is paying for alternative medicines/threatments etc etc then so be it.

There are very few options for disabled people as it is now. take away the means for these people to self manage their condition and they have nothing left. That will eventually lead to an increase in out of work benefits, CTB/LHA, an unsustainable increase in health and social care costs, an increase in poverty, an eradication of the good work that has been done over the past 50+ years trying to get the disabled somewhere close to an even footing with ordinary people, and most importantly a significant loss of social and physical mobility for disabled people.

Mmm, an unsustainable increase in health and social care costs.... I don't see the government being too concerned at the cost when it comes to bailing out the bankers. Or spending £120billion every year more than they have coming in (the last two years and projected for this year) on goodness knows what because it certainly isn't put towards providing better goods and services for the disabled.

Money that is paid directly to the claimants aside, that doesn't excuse the lack of options for disabled people within the system. Helath care isn't something that should be rationed; it should be provided to those who need it when they need it. This idea of GPs, for example, not making appropriate referrals for the patient because they think they have had more than their fair share, not to mention those "lucky" enough to be referred having to wait weeks or months for any action, ought to stop, imho.

dori2o

dktreesea wrote: »

Mmm, an unsustainable increase in health and social care costs.... I don't see the government being too concerned at the cost when it comes to bailing out the bankers. Or spending £120billion every year more than they have coming in (the last two years and projected for this year) on goodness knows what because it certainly isn't put towards providing better goods and services for the disabled.

Money that is paid directly to the claimants aside, that doesn't excuse the lack of options for disabled people within the system. Helath care isn't something that should be rationed; it should be provided to those who need it when they need it. This idea of GPs, for example, not making appropriate referrals for the patient because they think they have had more than their fair share, not to mention those "lucky" enough to be referred having to wait weeks or months for any action, ought to stop, imho.

I completely agree with what you say, but it has taken 50+ years to get to where we are today with regards to the help, opportunity and equalities disabled people have.

This Government is in the midst of dismantling that work. Even the Minister FOR Disabled People in on her soap box every week telling all who will listen how we are all scroungers, lazy, skivers, how we are such a burden on the taxpayer and how we don't deserve the adjustments that have been made for us.

Big business talks, thats why the Government bailed out, and continues to bail out the banks and why their policies are based around what greedy fat cats want rather than what is best for the everyday man on the street.

Rather than fight for something that currently is unattainable, we should be fighting, together, to preserve what we currently have, which has been fought for by so many for so long.

dktreesea

dori2o wrote: »

I completely agree with what you say, but it has taken 50+ years to get to where we are today with regards to the help, opportunity and equalities disabled people have.

This Government is in the midst of dismantling that work. Even the Minister FOR Disabled People in on her soap box every week telling all who will listen how we are all scroungers, lazy, skivers, how we are such a burden on the taxpayer and how we don't deserve the adjustments that have been made for us.

Big business talks, thats why the Government bailed out, and continues to bail out the banks and why their policies are based around what greedy fat cats want rather than what is best for the everyday man on the street.

Rather than fight for something that currently is unattainable, we should be fighting, together, to preserve what we currently have, which has been fought for by so many for so long.

One can see the reasons behind the government's rhetoric. It doesn't follow that just because we have a huge welfare state that incentivises people to take advantage of it because it is relatively generous when compared to working, at, say, the NMW, that we should aim to at least preserve it in its current state, just because we currently have it.

It's going to become much harder for people to survive on welfare in the future, just because we can't afford to expand it at the rate inflation is going up. Not just disabled people but everyone who relies on it. So we have things like lone parents being told they have to go back to work once their youngest child is three, rather than at school. And disabled people being told they have to be available to work even though they still have the condition that previously meant they didn't have to work and (and this is the part I object to) they are not going to provide that disabled person with the necessary support/services/tools and equipment they may need in order to be able to work.

superkp

dktreesea wrote: »

Sorry to say, but in today's intolerant climate, that kind of abuse is a hazard of being disabled. I have something wrong with my knee so started to use a stick recently. OMG, the comments! Total strangers saying things like "Why don't you get a job?" ( I work full time and have done forever, it feels like.) and "Did that stick help you at ATOS?" I have never had the need to claim disability, not even so much as a blue badge, but the animosity out there towards people with any kind of disability, even just limping along with a stick, really did surprise me.

yes you are correct the press and gov are trying to make disabled look like scroungers.
if you are genuine in your claim you should not give a stuff about what others think of you.
you are not doing anything illegal.

superkp

when I was in my twenties I needed psychiatric help but I refused to be admitted to hpital.
result I was dragged in by 6 coppers under section this happened about 5 times.
but still people say im scrounging????
I tried dam hard to avoid hospital