Finding when an area will have LLU availablility?

Nine_Lives

How does this work though? Fibre optic being super duper fast & that (seemingly) coming in before any of this LLU stuff.

If they wont get any return by LLU'ing the area, how would they with the fibre?

kwikbreaks

Only a portion of the cost of LLUing an exchange is in installing the DSLAMs there. The rest of the cost is in providing backhaul (which may be rented from BT of course). That backhaul can still be used once the exchange goes over to fibre - even with LLU all the connection from the exchange to the customer remains in BT's domain whether ADSL or FTTC.

As exchanges get enabled for FTTC it probably makes some DSLAMs available to move to other exchanges as the customers move over to that. I'm not sure about that as it depends on their value and whether the major cost is the actual installation work or the equipment.

eljmayes

kwikbreaks wrote: »

Only a portion of the cost of LLUing an exchange is in installing the DSLAMs there. The rest of the cost is in providing backhaul (which may be rented from BT of course). That backhaul can still be used once the exchange goes over to fibre - even with LLU all the connection from the exchange to the customer remains in BT's domain whether ADSL or FTTC.

As exchanges get enabled for FTTC it probably makes some DSLAMs available to move to other exchanges as the customers move over to that. I'm not sure about that as it depends on their value and whether the major cost is the actual installation work or the equipment.

The cost of upgrading my exchange (1500 houses) was reportedly £50k.

macman

Nine_Lives wrote: »

How does this work though? Fibre optic being super duper fast & that (seemingly) coming in before any of this LLU stuff.

If they wont get any return by LLU'ing the area, how would they with the fibre?

Because the FTTC investment is made by one company-BT. They subsequently get a cut whether a subscriber signs up with them or with a BT reseller for FTTC.
With LLU, the investment is made by one provider alone, and they cannot hope thereafter to gain more than a certain percentage of the subscriber base on that exchange.
Once you get down to bases around the 1,200 figure, it becomes harder to justify the investment. Which is why the pace of LLU has slowed to a crawl.

iniltous

macman wrote: »

Because the FTTC investment is made by one company-BT. They subsequently get a cut whether a subscriber signs up with them or with a BT reseller for FTTC.
With LLU, the investment is made by one provider alone, and they cannot hope thereafter to gain more than a certain percentage of the subscriber base on that exchange.
Once you get down to bases around the 1,200 figure, it becomes harder to justify the investment. Which is why the pace of LLU has slowed to a crawl.

The TT CEO was bellyaching a while ago about Openreach FTTC and the BT CEO response was that TT don't want FTTC/FTTH so they can 'sweat' their own assets (ADSL/2).. In other words they spend some money unbundling an exchange , it's in their interest for that exchange never to get FTTC, or if BT may at some point introduce FTTC to an exchange they are unlikely to unbundle it with old technology,

demystified

kwikbreaks wrote: »

I think they all use traffic shaping for P2P and NNTP.

Sky doesn't, its fully unlimited. No shaping of any kind. Nada, zilch, zero. (apart from Connect, which is not LLU and you wouldn't want it anyway)