Finding when an area will have LLU availablility?

Nine_Lives

We're looking to buy our first house & while this isn't a deal breaker, it is something that we're bearing in mind.

We live in a small village which is really a nice area. I've lived here all my life & would prefer to move into the nearby city as it'll actually feel like i've moved.

You can get Sky unbundled package in the city, so that's £7.50 per month or whatever the charge is now.
There's no such thing in this small village. We're on slow speeds & high prices.

Then there's the mobile phone signal - 3G coverage on o2 in the city. In the village there's no 3G coverage (3G isn't an issue tbh as we'd have WiFi on at home), but in our current home there's not even an o2 2G signal. Not sure how this compares to other houses in the village.

Anyway, it'd be really nice to have the unbundled deals in the village. Is there any way we can find out if/when there is a proposed date?

macman

Do an exchange search on https://www.samknows.com.
But if you are on a small rural exchange with a few hundred subscribers, it's unlikely that you will ever have any LLU providers. If the economics don't work, it won't happen.
You may at some point get FTTC though, you can check that on the BT site.

Nine_Lives

The information is:

Serves (approx): 1,291 residential premises 141 non-residential premises.

FTTC status: RFS date set : 30/09/2013

I notice you say "ever have any LLU providers"

Ever is a long time. It'd be a bit irritating if we didn't move within this area only for 1-2-3-4etc years down the line Sky go & put their LLU whateveritis on the exchange.

As i say, this isn't the deciding factor, there's others, such as if i stay within this area it wont actually feel like i've properly moved out, but still, as heavy technology users, it is a factor.

Nine_Lives

Hmm, apparently my exchange is under the "coming soon" heading. Not sure if this is a guarantee that it IS coming soon, or that it MAY be coming soon.

How would this perform vs say, Sky LLU deals right now? Will it be faster or the same? Are they likely to cap the monthly downloads?

kwikbreaks

FTTC will be faster than any ADSL2+ offering. All the big suppliers except VirginMedia have gone over to offering fully unlimited packages now. VM is unlimited but with volume related throttling. I think they all use traffic shaping for P2P and NNTP.

Nine_Lives

That's good. Just a shame that there's no proper date as such, despite the mention of Sept 2013. Would be handy if we had a definite date, rather than a "you may get it, you may not" date.

littleboo

If there is a RFS date, then its on the plan to receive FTTC. These dates seem to slip, but I've not heard of any area having am RFS date advertised and then never getting it. (Doesn't mean it hasn't happened though) I think its a fair bet that the exchange will get enabled for FTTC, although not necessarily by Sep.

macman

Nine_Lives wrote: »

The information is:





I notice you say "ever have any LLU providers"

Ever is a long time. It'd be a bit irritating if we didn't move within this area only for 1-2-3-4etc years down the line Sky go & put their LLU whateveritis on the exchange.

As i say, this isn't the deciding factor, there's others, such as if i stay within this area it wont actually feel like i've properly moved out, but still, as heavy technology users, it is a factor.

But with only 1,200 subscribers, no provider can recover the investment required for LLU, so it's not going to happen. Even if they captured half of the subscriber base, which is unlikely.
FTTC via a BT reseller is the best option, as it's coming to you within 3 months (though I'd take those provision dates with a large pinch of salt. That date simply refers to the date that some cabs on the exchange will have it-yours could be years later).

eljmayes

macman wrote: »

But with only 1,200 subscribers, no provider can recover the investment required for LLU, so it's not going to happen. Even if they captured half of the subscriber base, which is unlikely.
FTTC via a BT reseller is the best option, as it's coming to you within 3 months (though I'd take those provision dates with a large pinch of salt. That date simply refers to the date that some cabs on the exchange will have it-yours could be years later).

I live in an exchange that only has 1500 premises/100 businesses that has just been unbundled by TalkTalk.

It's a rural exchange spread over numerous small villages. Obviously TalkTalk feel that they can make a return on their investment although I have my doubts.

brewerdave

macman, we are served by an exchange with 1362 domestic premises (according to Samknows) -Sky are already in,and I've been told that TalkTalk are "coming in December" - so somehow they think that they are going to get a return.
Suspect they justify it,by grabbing customers before our exchange gets fibre maybe some time late 2014!!

oldagetraveller

"But with only 1,200 subscribers, no provider can recover the investment required for LLU, so it's not going to happen."
No, can't agree.

eljmayes wrote: »

I live in an exchange that only has 1500 premises/100 businesses that has just been unbundled by TalkTalk.

It's a rural exchange spread over numerous small villages. Obviously TalkTalk feel that they can make a return on their investment although I have my doubts.

Yes, similar. 1300 domestic premises and 110 businesses on my rural exchange. Two LLU operators, TalkTalk and Sky. Talk Talk over a year now and Sky around six months.
It's about time OFCOM updated the exchange market classifications too. Still Market 1 and really should be Market 2.
Fibre - sometime after hell freezes over, I suspect. "FTTC status: Not available"