FPN for parking in non-marked country lay-by

Gloomendoom

I got done for the same thing years ago, although I was actually parked on the grass verge. Luckily my passengers all chipped in so it only cost me a fiver in the end.

Aretnap

arcon5 wrote: »

Also, I believe it's an offense to park facing traffic?

Only at night, unless you're in a recognised parking space (Linky).

Otherwise the Highway Code just says "do not park facing against the traffic flow". It doesn't say "MUST NOT" or refer to any law, indicating that parking against the flow is bad practice rather than an actual offence.

headpin

ILW wrote: »

I thought double yellows meant "at any time".

My mistake. It was changed 3 years or so ago. No plate means at any time. Sorry for confusing.

TrickyWicky

headpin wrote: »

My mistake. It was changed 3 years or so ago. No plate means at any time. Sorry for confusing.

No. Double Yellow Lines mean at any time. The requirement for a plate however is no non-existent.

Single Yellow Lines are during specified periods and DO require a plate.

You may however still see some plates accompanying DYLs in some places. Do not be misled into thinking that a missing plate means at any time it's the lines themselves.

TrickyWicky

henrygregory wrote: »

I can see what you are saying re lorries/farm vehicles using the layby to turn from the tight road, but as I think I mentioned in my op, I have parked my car in this layby for years and never had any bother.

That makes no difference at all. The point is the space is covered by the RTA and TMA and thus a PCN can be issued at any time. The fact that you've got away with it for years means nothing and certainly doesn't mean they're not allowed to enforce it. On the contrary they can enforce it at their choosing. When I was a CEO this was common practice. Some areas were a high priority, others less so. On a quiet day we'd go around and look at the lower priority areas. Thats just the way it works.

henrygregory wrote: »

You can even see on google maps, three vehicles parked there. It is a very common spot to park up and go for a wander over the fields.

Again it makes no difference unfortunately no matter how you try to justify it.

henrygregory wrote: »

This is an interesting read: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mg74/features/councils-issuing-more-parking-tickets-than-ever

Yup, the country is in recession, the government is in a hole taking the councils with it and they're trying to tap as much cashflow as they can. There is nothing to deny - when I was a CEO the council were looking for more tickets. They couldn't force us to book cars that weren't there but they could do things like change patrol patterns to concentrate on specific areas at certain times etc to ensure we ran into offending vehicles. Nothing wrong or illegal with that - if people will break the rules and get caught then technically thats their problem. Unfortunately bleating on about it won't help you.

As I said previously, suggesting via an appeal that its entrapment might get you half a foot to stand on and its worth trying but don't hold your breath.

forgotmyname

What you need are some pictures of a layby that allows parking yet has double yellow lines in a similar manner.

May help your case.

henrygregory

TrickyWicky wrote: »

That makes no difference at all. The point is the space is covered by the RTA and TMA and thus a PCN can be issued at any time. The fact that you've got away with it for years means nothing and certainly doesn't mean they're not allowed to enforce it. On the contrary they can enforce it at their choosing. When I was a CEO this was common practice. Some areas were a high priority, others less so. On a quiet day we'd go around and look at the lower priority areas. Thats just the way it works.


Yup, the country is in recession, the government is in a hole taking the councils with it and they're trying to tap as much cashflow as they can. There is nothing to deny - when I was a CEO the council were looking for more tickets. They couldn't force us to book cars that weren't there but they could do things like change patrol patterns to concentrate on specific areas at certain times etc to ensure we ran into offending vehicles. Nothing wrong or illegal with that - if people will break the rules and get caught then technically thats their problem. Unfortunately bleating on about it won't help you.

As I said previously, suggesting via an appeal that its entrapment might get you half a foot to stand on and its worth trying but don't hold your breath.

Thanks for your post. Very interesting to read and I certainly will go for the appeal as it doesn't seem that it will leave me any worser off and secondly, I genuinely thought that I was fine to park there. I have never parked 'on' double yellows before, and if I did, I would completely be expecting a ticket. That was what was so frustrating as this was totally unexpected. At least I know more about parking and yellow lines than I did before.
Again it makes no difference unfortunately no matter how you try to justify it.

henrygregory

forgotmyname wrote: »

What you need are some pictures of a layby that allows parking yet has double yellow lines in a similar manner.

May help your case.

I think my problem may be that out in the country where I am , there are very little laybys that do have double yellows near them. It is quite a rarity.

DaftyDuck

I have no expertise to contribute, but did find this thread curious - not least because I'm sure I'd have happily parked there.

Only thing I noticed is that the OP's photos do not show the surfaced road extending into the layby... any mileage there? I suspect not, because I thinks someone above posted they were "done" for parking on the grass verge beside yellow lines.

But, if parking either side of yellow lines is a no-no... how far away from the yellow lines can one park? If that layby was ten feet - ten metres - deep, what's the ruling there?

Being a country boy at heart (currently condemned to living in a suburban area), I'd never have expected those yellows to apply to the layby. I might have considered it a passing place, or a turning area, and therefore not parked there, but I'd not have avoided it because of the yellows.

VSynth

DaftyDuck wrote: »

I have no expertise to contribute, but did find this thread curious - not least because I'm sure I'd have happily parked there.

Only thing I noticed is that the OP's photos do not show the surfaced road extending into the layby... any mileage there? I suspect not, because I thinks someone above posted they were "done" for parking on the grass verge beside yellow lines.

But, if parking either side of yellow lines is a no-no... how far away from the yellow lines can one park? If that layby was ten feet - ten metres - deep, what's the ruling there?

Being a country boy at heart (currently condemned to living in a suburban area), I'd never have expected those yellows to apply to the layby. I might have considered it a passing place, or a turning area, and therefore not parked there, but I'd not have avoided it because of the yellows.

I find it strange too, the layby does not appear to be part of the road.