Having trouble with the jobcentre

sniggings

Dogger69 wrote: »

No, the great majority of ESA claimants are genuinely unfit for work. However those that consider "going sick" solely in order to avoid signing on do not fit that criteria, do they?

* Thinks full time workfare for long term claimants cannot come soon enough! *

no one was suggesting they fake being ill...did they!

I think the point being made was, being unemployed for so long and going by the way the OP comes across, it would be worth a visit to the doctors to see if there is something he/she could help with.

it's well know that being unemployed for so long can cause depression, being depressed doesn't mean ESA is automatic.

ArtoDeeto

Carers fair enough - why would I want an unwilling carer? Cleaning; what is your reason to say no???

You don't get banned from the Jobcentre for changing what you said to them...

sammyjammy

Dogger69 wrote: »

Because they are lazy and unwilling to help themselves? Are you suggesting all long term claimants are mentally ill?

On the information given, I think the suggestion of visiting a doctor in order to claim ESA is laughable. I would not discourage anyone from seeing their GP for a genuine reason, but not to play the system.

Bit off topic but I wonder how many long term (10yrs plus) JSA claimants end up on ESA with depression? Its kind of self prophesysing (SP!) isn't it?

Depression is a serious issue that needs to be tackled in our society. I know for me what keeps me going is my job, having that routine of leaving the house every day with a purpose in life.

Probably shouldn't say that, it'll give the op ideas!

ETA: Looks like sniggings beat me to it! That'll teach to read the whole thread before posting!

Dogger69

sammyjammy wrote: »

Bit off topic but I wonder how many long term (10yrs plus) JSA claimants end up on ESA with depression? Its kind of self prophesysing (SP!) isn't it?

Depression is a serious issue that needs to be tackled in our society. I know for me what keeps me going is my job, having that routine of leaving the house every day with a purpose in life.

Probably shouldn't say that, it'll give the op ideas!

ETA: Looks like sniggings beat me to it! That'll teach to read the whole thread before posting!

I wholly agree, for most people that want to be independent and productive, even six months on JSA would be enough to make you depressed. But then you've got the claimants that choose to live on benefits, because they are apparently too good for menial jobs (but not qualified to do anything else) - I don't think they're mentally ill, but rather that they need a reality check

Dogger69

sniggings wrote: »

no one was suggesting they fake being ill...did they!

I think the point being made was, being unemployed for so long and going by the way the OP comes across, it would be worth a visit to the doctors to see if there is something he/she could help with.

it's well know that being unemployed for so long can cause depression, being depressed doesn't mean ESA is automatic.

You might want to reread what SaveMeDo said. There was a clear suggestion that the OP might "go sick" for a while:

SaveMeDo wrote: »

I think you should go to the doctor and explain the situation, maybe you are depressed or something, and he might recommend that you "go sick" for a while and sign you off JSA and onto ESA.

SaveMeDo

You might want to reread what SaveMeDo said. There was a clear suggestion that the OP might "go sick" for a while:

Yes, so?

If the OP goes to the doctor and the doctor thinks the OP is NOT FIT FOR WORK, then he is "going sick" isn't he?

You should remember the claiming JSA while unfit to work is fraud.

Dunroamin

SaveMeDo wrote: »

Yes, so?

If the OP goes to the doctor and the doctor thinks the OP is NOT FIT FOR WORK, then he is "going sick" isn't he?

You should remember the claiming JSA while unfit to work is fraud.

You really ought to understand the use of inverted commas in this sort of statement.;)

sniggings

Dogger69 wrote: »

You might want to reread what SaveMeDo said. There was a clear suggestion that the OP might "go sick" for a while:

you might want to do that yourself, as Savemedo clearly says to go to the DR to see if you are depressed and the Dr might let you "go sick" which does not mean what you are suggesting.

Dunroamin

sniggings wrote: »

you might want to do that yourself, as Savemedo clearly says to go to the DR to see if you are depressed and the Dr might let you "go sick" which does not mean what you are suggesting.

There's a big difference between suggesting that someone goes sick and that someone "goes sick".

FBaby

Can see why caring might not be the best career move for OP but cleaning? What worse excuse to give for not doing cleaning than being ill due to chemical? I had to laugh at that one! Amazing how millions of cleaners seem to do fine!

I think when you have been unemployed for 14 years, you can't expect to be picky with what comes your way and be prepared to take anything that comes your way. How are you going to know that cleaning makes you ill (by some kind of family genetic permutation!) if you don't give it a try?

I think it was perfectly right to sanction you just because you don't want to do cleaning work.