Will my partner have to pay csa?

kevin137

FBaby wrote: »

I don't think that is the question you should ask. You should instead say: I have a partner, we have been together for x time, I have a baby by him, we love each other very much and do things together, however, we can't afford to live together right at this time, so I would like to claim as a single parent until we can somehow increase our income/reduce our outgoings, and when we can get more disposable income that we currently have by me claiming as a single parent, we will move in together. Is this permitted?

Why is it of any concern of the job centre...???

You could say the same thing in so many different situations in the uK... Just because you have a boyfriend and are making plans does not mean that is your situation currently...

And EVERYONE knows my stand on benefits on here, i get shouted at often enough for slating people who claim them don't i...???

So, please explain to me, how exactly does this make 2 people cohabiting...??? They could be engaged and still not be cohabiting...

Do you as a single mother, with a boyfriend who lives in his own flat fill in forms and his details as your partner...??? Or only when it suits you... I ask because this is NO different... You apply for a bank loan and have a partner, is his name on the form as well...??? Credit card, is his name on the form...??? NO...??? WHY NOT...??? You are partners aren't you...???

If you are cohabiting, then yes, but the OP has clearly stated she is NOT living with him...

Mojisola

FBaby wrote: »

I don't think that is the question you should ask. You should instead say: I have a partner, we have been together for x time, I have a baby by him, we love each other very much and do things together, however, we can't afford to live together right at this time, so I would like to claim as a single parent until we can somehow increase our income/reduce our outgoings, and when we can get more disposable income that we currently have by me claiming as a single parent, we will move in together. Is this permitted?

kevin137 wrote: »

If in any doubt, ASK the jobcentre what they think, if you ask simply, i have a boyfriend, but we don't live together, does that mean for the purposes of a claim i am not single, then what do i do?

FBaby's description is the truth of the situation but kevin's is what will happen. Describing the situation like that will enable Ivy to claim benefits.

FBaby

Mojisola wrote: »

FBaby's description is the truth of the situation but kevin's is what will happen. Describing the situation like that will enable Ivy to claim benefits.

Absolutely, and then OP will be shocked when she is investigated for claiming fraudulently, expect that if she has asked the question as I phrased it, i very much doubt the response would be 'oh yes of course, no worry, claim IS and whatever else you can get a single parent until you are free to move in with your partner. Don't worry, you have 5 years to claim, and after that, you could always have another child and keep going'.

Ivy89

Fbaby I was working when I got pregnant and after I lost my job I still tried looking for a job and going for interviews despite the fact no one wants to hire a pregnant person. I wasn't warned my job was at risk and given no idea that I may lose it. Admittedly in the recession noones jobs or guaranteed but does that mean I wait until the recession ends in let's say another ten or more years to have a family?. If I'm truely honest the pregnancy wasn't an accident . I had been desperate for years , convinced I couldn't have children because of a condition I may of inherited off my mother(obviously she had me but afterwards her condition worsened and she had a hysterectomy at fourty). I thought my job was safe , I'd worked there for over a year and I knew I'd be elgible for maternity pay from them, and they wouldn't be able to sack me because I was pregnant, so id have a job and income to come back to. What part of this makes me sound like I got pregnant to claim benefits?. I'm trying to make the best out of my situation.
I'm missing the one vital value?. Hardly . I am staying home because if I move in with partner I won't be able to care for my son. We will lose his house because I won't have Any money from anywhere apart from child benefit and his bills already leave him with under £100 to spend per month on his baby. If my parents continue to have financial issues they will need my board and lodge and my sisters . So I am caring for both sides of my family claiming . I made a mistake or choice and I AM trying to take care of it. Of course I feel like I'm being villified and attacked.

I don't mind being warned that they may say I'm claiming fraudently , I haven't arged that point. I was only arguing that it wasn't fair I was being abused for being morally wrong by wanting to claim benefits I may of been entitled to, which considering my taxpayer family would be happy with me claiming considering they will never see it themselves , I didn't see an issue. That being said I just don't understand why the jobcentre themselves would tell me that ill be claiming income support as a single parent when I had told them my situation, if they were going to come after me for fraud.

Kevin I appreciate your honesty and the fact you aren't as judgemental or ritcheous as some of the other posters. Like I said I have asked the jobcentre , they were the ones who suggested to me I could claim income support as a single person. I just assumed I'd go right back on jobseekers and be forced into looking for a job as soon as the maternity pay was off. I just got concerned when my aunt told me the csa would come after my partner because I was claiming benefits.

I appreciate what your saying about anxiety but the one thing I learnt from my counselling is that everyone's anxiety is different , even ones with the same name. My own is a social anxiety, I once couldn't go anywhere alone but having my vehicle is what started encouraging me to go out more often and the idea of stepping on a bus or train alone to go to appointments with baby is still something ill struggle with. That being said having a car is a major plus when its time to look for jobs and if I didn't have transport it would severely narrow the area I'd be able to look for jobs. It's not the petrol I'd claim for either as I hope to be more active, it's just the insurance and tax to save for.

FBaby

kevin137 wrote: »

Why is it of any concern of the job centre...???

You could say the same thing in so many different situations in the uK... Just because you have a boyfriend and are making plans does not mean that is your situation currently...

And EVERYONE knows my stand on benefits on here, i get shouted at often enough for slating people who claim them don't i...???

So, please explain to me, how exactly does this make 2 people cohabiting...??? They could be engaged and still not be cohabiting...

Do you as a single mother, with a boyfriend who lives in his own flat fill in forms and his details as your partner...??? Or only when it suits you... I ask because this is NO different... You apply for a bank loan and have a partner, is his name on the form as well...??? Credit card, is his name on the form...??? NO...??? WHY NOT...??? You are partners aren't you...???

If you are cohabiting, then yes, but the OP has clearly stated she is NOT living with him...

I think what you might not have considered (maybe not spent enough time on the benefit section ), is that claiming as a single parent is not directly linked to co-habitation. You keep referring to a 'boyfriend', but OP has clarified that he is not just a boyfriend but a partner and if they have perceived as such, by family, friends etc..., it could indeed mean they are deemed to be in a committed relationship, and the fact they don't live under the same roof makes no difference.

To be fair, the decision an investigation team reaches in so far in the grey that it would be impossible for any of us to say in advance for certain what it would be. However, I know from previous threads that living separately is definitely not enough, on its own, to justify being entitled to claim as a single parent.

kevin137

So what are the qualifiers for the DWP in the benefit claim...

Simply put, to the OP do you contribute to his household financially...???

In the way of cleaning, laundry cooking his dinners regularly...???

To the OP's partner the same questions...???

If the answer is no, and i don't mean on the odd occasion, but do you do these things every day/week...

The DWP has rules to follow and just because someone has a boyfriend god forbid they might want a life as so many people on here insist they are entitled too...

It is amazing how many people all of a sudden feel that benefit should be the subject of much more stringent guidelines... I have been saying that form day one...

THIS WOMAN WAS WORKING WHEN SHE GOT PREGNANT...!!! And certainly doesn't sound like she wants to sit on benefit her whole life... At the moment she has the support of family while living in there home, a good situation for a relationship that has never really got of the ground goes, moving in with him now, may not be the best way for things to progress, we all know how stressful moving in with someone can be, add into that a newborn for a 1st time mother with no job, and worries for her own financial security and there you have it... Someone who is doing what is right for her, taking it slowly and then moving forward...

And you all criticise her...???

Think there is a lot of double standards here...!!!

FBaby

I really appreciate your honestly about falling pregnant because I think few do so. I too fell pregnant 'by accident' supposedly, when really, it was nothing but an accident. However, my partner and I were able to support the child.

I think the issue is one of perspective. There is only a small pot of money and most of it go on pensions. You are still quite young I assume and unlikely to have one bit close to paying in tax what you will get back all through your life.

Your partner works, so he should be able to support you. Don't forget that even as a couple, you will be entitled to tax credits and other help depending on his income. Have you actually checked what you would get moving in together?

I also believe that in your situation, now that you are blessed with the most precious gift in the world, you will have to accept that it comes with sacrifices, the biggest one being finances. So if you do have to do without your car to support your child, then this is something you will need to accept.

And again, I'm going to sound overly patronising, but if you suffer from social phobia, now that you are a mum, your priority should be not to look how to avoid others (and therefore keep your car at all costs), but how to tackle it so that it doesn't hinder you and your child because your child will need to socialise and rely on you to do so.

As for work, it is unlikely you will be in a position to get one until your baby is at least 6 months. Why not look into moving with your partner somewhere were jobs are more available and more importantly, where childcare is conveniently available, including schools with after-school clubs. Might sound premature, but so many parent post that they can't work out of school hours because there is no childcare available. Here is your chance to establish yourself and give yourself time to built a new social network before your child start school and if financially required, you can envisage to go back to work full-time.

trush09

Hi

Ivy I think you should google what help u could get and maybe see citizens advice or a similar agency. The people on these boards are v harsh and judgemental. Well some are. This board was not set up for people to debate over benefits it was set up to advise and help people.

Good luck :money:

FBaby

kevin137 wrote: »

So what are the qualifiers for the DWP in the benefit claim..!

That's the thing, there are no black and white qualifiers, you can claim by just saying that you are single without any questions asked at the time. HOWEVER, if they do investigate, and after looking into many circumstances, they feel that as a whole, two people are behaving as if they were a committed couple under their definition, then they can decide that you were not entitled to the benefit from day one.

What gets to me is the 'we are not moving in together because we will be worse off financially doing so then if I claim as a single parent'. The decision to move in together shouldn't be based on finances, especially not on how much you can get from benefits. Either they move in together and work their finances to make it work, or they are not ready to move in together because not committed enough to make that move yet.

StuC75

The simplest approach is to think of OP & Partner as separated - in which case he would have to pay 15% of his take home pay as maintanence... at the minimum - I say this because as a couple he should be more supportive..

Once that has been taken into account then the other support mechanisms can kick in and provide accordingly..

Advice on this is going to be subjective - and fall as either whats "Best for you", or "What is best for 'society'" in terms of what is provided externally. Its Clear Black & White, there is no Grey..

Without any contribution from Him then you really are 'getting one over'.. and to be frank creating a scenario that is more cosey for him..