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MSE News: Energy bill discount for those living near wind farms

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  • lstar337
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    torbrex wrote: »
    I should add that I stongly support wind farms and the power they generate goes a long way to reducing the dependancy on the burning of fossil fuels.
    Lol, ok. :D
  • gadgetmind
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    Live data here and my favourite is the Generation By Fuel Type graph.

    http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm

    About half of wind capacity is "embedded" so not shown here. Notice how wind and nuclear mainly eat into the gas we burn.

    Yes, there's lots of work for us to do and we are going to need diversity of supply across different renewables, geographic diversity (interconnects, more storage and smart grid technology.

    Or we can all be total nimbys, refuse to build or change anything, burn every last gallon of fossil fuel oblivious to what this will do to our climate, and then die out when it's all gone.

    Neither choice is without a degree of pain but the former is at least sane.
    I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.

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  • magyar
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    Wywth wrote: »
    Each to their own, I suppose but have you thought why this article is reporting a financial sweetener to those who are blighted by living close to windfarms?

    And you still need other forms of electricity generation unless you are prepared for the lights to go out on non-windy days.

    All wind farms have always had community benefit schemes. As a developer you cannot win. If you offer nothing to locals, you're just taking from the area without giving anything back. If you offer something, you are bribing people.

    Re: 'other forms of generation', no you don't, not until you have at least three times as much wind power on the system as you do now.
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  • Perelandra
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    gadgetmind wrote: »
    Live data here and my favourite is the Generation By Fuel Type graph.

    http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm

    About half of wind capacity is "embedded" so not shown here. Notice how wind and nuclear mainly eat into the gas we burn.

    So if I'm reading that right, it's about 9% (or 18% capacity?) wind-generated?

    That's actually a lot more than I thought it would be! Shows how well I know the industry I work in. :)
  • gadgetmind
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    Perelandra wrote: »
    That's actually a lot more than I thought it would be! Shows how well I know the industry I work in. :)

    To be fair, it has been a little blustery today!

    Oh, and I'm also an energy geek. I've researched every generation method that works within the known rules of physics (and a few ... not so much), various grid energy storage techniques, the many ways of using energy to create mobile fuels and/or organic chemical industry feed stock, the existing and possible future interconnect methods, and much much more.

    I used this knowledge to create a hypothetical (but viable) global energy infrastructure for 50 years hence. As this was for a book, I then took delight in starting to blow it up in creative ways around chapter 23. :D
    I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.

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  • cepheus
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    Dasa wrote: »
    I'd rather not have the Windmill Farms in view and they can keep the £100.

    So you'll let them frack for nothing then?
  • Pincher
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    £100 a month, maybe. £100 a year? :rotfl:

    How about a class action from all the residents on loss of property value? That is something that can be demonstrated.
  • magyar
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    Pincher wrote: »
    £100 a month, maybe. £100 a year? :rotfl:

    How about a class action from all the residents on loss of property value? That is something that can be demonstrated.

    And what if someone develops something near your house which increases the value (e.g. a new school, motorway, train station)?

    Would you expect to compensate the developer?
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  • Pincher
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    magyar wrote: »
    And what if someone develops something near your house which increases the value (e.g. a new school, motorway, train station)?

    Would you expect to compensate the developer?

    If I had petitioned for a school, I would be delighted to pay extra council tax. If you don't protest, you are the soft option, and find the next sewage works next door.
  • magyar
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    Pincher wrote: »
    If I had petitioned for a school, I would be delighted to pay extra council tax. If you don't protest, you are the soft option, and find the next sewage works next door.

    That's not quite the same analogy, because not only people who *dislike* the wind farm (typically about 20% of the population) will get the money, everyone near it will.

    The correct analogy would be if for example you had no children and thus didn't directly benefit from the school in any way *other* than house prices. Would you be prepared to pay extra for that?
    Says James, in my opinion, there's nothing in this world
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