when will CSA payments stop?

rampies_wife

We are in the same situation as Pinkpig my OH daughter was 19 in February finished her course in the middle of May exams etc all finished. so according to the rules clearly stated on the HMRC http://!!!!!!!/cA1HqE
Your payments will normally carry on from the time they leave until the week that includes the earliest of these dates:the
last day of February
31 May
31 August
30 November
What I don't understand is why there is not some connection with CB that alerts CSA that this is the case? Is it because this is not written in Law? My husband has now had to raise a benifit fraud case because the CSA won't read the rules on the CB website .It is so frustrating that a 19 1/2 year old young woman who lives most of the time with her BF is being encouraged to stay unemployed or not work because the PWC will loose there benefits which include working families,council tax housing and child benefit and we seem to be powerless to stop it :mad:

his_wife

ah rampie, thank god, its not just us in that situation, my sd got kicked out of college in january,,, we have only just found out,,,csa are a waste of time, you inform them and they rattle of same old line, as long as child benefit is being paid etc etc.

Nice, to know where not alone

his_wife

Forgot to add,,, like your pwc rampie, the pwc has "encouraged" sd to go to college, which is literally at the end of her street, to keep her benefits rolling in. As she will loose £1500 a month, in csa payments, ctc, and cb once it stops.

I have no objection with supporting sd, my objection is too supporting her mum, as the sd has lived with her boy friend for the last nine months!!

Marker_2

Alligg wrote: »

Thanks Kevin
We are in credit so will they take that off and the last payment just be reduced or will we pay the same then get a refund?
its not we mind paying and we would never see her go without but we have been paying £300 a month for 1 child just because her Dad is in the RAF,we still have a mortgage and bills to pay but that does not seem to count for much.

And? You don't think the mum has bills to pay as well? Why would his bills be accounted for when he has an obligation to support HIS child. As for the RAF comment, you quite clearly state he's been paying X amount because he is in the RAF. Quite a ridiculous comment.

Alligg wrote: »

That is not what I meant at all, at no point did I say it was because of his job that he HAD to pay,because of his job it was easier for his ex to take advantage,he has paid from day 1 because he is a decent honest man and always will support her and we would never see her go without but £300 a month for 1 child is a lot.we previously had an agreement in place yet ex got greedy so went to CSA and they backdated so we ended up paying double with them taking £600-800 a month for nearly a year,as it comes out of his wages it meant his employer got involved and it made him look like he had been shirking his resonsibilites when he hadn't.

As he is paying £300 per month for 1 child, he must be earning around the 30k mark. But seriously £300 to support a child is not alot. But what would you know right? And all this 'WE' talk ... you have nothing to do with it. You had nothing to do with it to begin with, now or way later. You have absolutely nothing to do with your partners support to his child. Why new partners believe otherwise is anyones guess. You knew he had a child before you got with him.The child will be in his life forever, partners come and go.

It surprises me how selfish some people are when their children no longer 'qualify' for support via the CSA. While the NRP stops paying am I to assume the RP kicks them out of the house? Of course not, the RP usually still maintains a home for their child, even if they go away to Uni or something. The financial burden still lies somewhere.

I would love for the child of a NRP to move to the NRPs home as soon as they are 'cut off' financially ... they won't be able to get help from the RP, they have to 'keep' the child themselves. £300 pm will sound like a right bargain then.

Alligg

Marker wrote: »

And? You don't think the mum has bills to pay as well? Why would his bills be accounted for when he has an obligation to support HIS child. As for the RAF comment, you quite clearly state he's been paying X amount because he is in the RAF. Quite a ridiculous comment.



As he is paying £300 per month for 1 child, he must be earning around the 30k mark. But seriously £300 to support a child is not alot. But what would you know right? And all this 'WE' talk ... you have nothing to do with it. You had nothing to do with it to begin with, now or way later. You have absolutely nothing to do with your partners support to his child. Why new partners believe otherwise is anyones guess. You knew he had a child before you got with him.The child will be in his life forever, partners come and go.

It surprises me how selfish some people are when their children no longer 'qualify' for support via the CSA. While the NRP stops paying am I to assume the RP kicks them out of the house? Of course not, the RP usually still maintains a home for their child, even if they go away to Uni or something. The financial burden still lies somewhere.

I would love for the child of a NRP to move to the NRPs home as soon as they are 'cut off' financially ... they won't be able to get help from the RP, they have to 'keep' the child themselves. £300 pm will sound like a right bargain then.

What would I know?????? We have a child living with us and we have supported my partners daughter on top of her CSA so before you start on your high horse get your facts straight.
As the name states child support.....at 18 nearly 19 she is hardly a child, if you read another of my posts I said it wasn't what I meant but that just because he was in the RAF he had to pay but it was easier for his daughters mum to take advantage.
We never have and never would see her go without,and yes I did know he had a child but what I didn't expect was for the system to be so easily manipulated it has everything to do with me when I am paying additional costs for her out of my wage,my choice because she is part of our family too.it is always interesting seeing what people have to say but how many people thing about how the OH may feel when they get stopped from seeing their child or the child is used as a pawn by a bitter ex.
As it is we have found out that his daughter is actually working full time yet did her mum contact CHB or CSA no she was happy to keep quiet to get more money.his daughter said he was being spiteful when he said you do realise now you are working you will only get your wage as any money we were paying CSA will stop and we will start making arrangements to put money away for a flat/house deposit,wedding etc.she was under the impression that she would still get her substantial payment from us AND her wages.

justontime

Marker you have no idea what it is like for a NRPP and you were wrong to attack Alligg like that.

I am a NRPP, of course I knew that my husband had children there is no way that I would be with a man who didn't love and financially support his own children. We didn't just marry on a whim we took our time to be sure that we were doing the right thing and that all our children were comfortable with the situation. My first husband had died so I was bringing up my children on my own.

I knew that my husband would support his children but I had no idea what a high price my children would have to pay. Much as I love my husband I would never have married him if I'd known. My husband's whole income (including the sum he paid for child support) was taken into account for EMA, university funding, bursaries etc so they missed out on support that they badly needed. My husband is on CSA1 so my children were not accounted for in the assessment, and despite working very hard it has been a real struggle to provide for and support my own children.

The other thing that I didn't anticipate was the problems that CSA cause by taking forever with assessments, getting assessments wrong etc. My husband has always paid to support his children and he always will, but we live in fear of the next brown envelope. Can you imagine what it was like for a man who had always been current with his payments to open the post one day to find a demand for thousands of pounds relating to a period 15 years ago when he was still with his ex-partner! It is a very long story and it took months to sort it out, we faced the real possibility of losing our home. It is impossible to put into words what all those months of worry did to my husband, I was so worried about him.

What I am really trying to say is that of course the NRPP is involved. We are a family and as far as I am concerned there is nothing more important than doing the best I can for my children and step children. At times that has involved having all of them living with us full time, and this will always be their home. Most NRPs (and NRPPS) are reasonable people who are just trying to do their best and I am sure that the same is true for PWCs. I don't think there are many winners when it comes to CSA, some situations seem very unfair and cause untold stress. Hopefully CSA will work better in the future, but until then we all have to do the best we can.

Cally_Smart

Well said ,I second exactly what you say justontime. We have had long term commitment to our husbands & their children ,our step children.We have had the rough end of the stick -the CSA don't care how the family of the NRP are which is why we are fighting for a BETTER system of child support for ALL the children involved. My daughter from a previous relationship had to go out to work at 16 whilst still at college so she could have some things she wanted. My step children were allowed to do nothing -not even attend the courses they signed up to & just wait for the money to come in !They left courses last year yet we still cant prove it & have to pay the CSA every month. Got a feeling they will do same in September! We have all suffered from stress my husband included, and our young son. We just have to put up with it ,it's not right is it ?

clearingout

justontime - why would you expect to live with someone/remarry but still have your income assessed for tax credits/bursaries/grants/loans/mortgages/benefits as if you were single?

pinkpig08

I think the point about income being assessed is not that an NRPP thinks they should be assessed as if single - my husbands' whole income is assessed when calculating tax credits for us, yet he pays a proportion of that income to his ex who is not assessed on it for her own tax credits, even though it is really 'her' income, effectively reducing eligibility for us and our children but increasing it for her.

Alligg

Well you could have knocked us down with a feather
The CSA chap on camp contacted them to make sure my partners ex had closed the claim and in the post today was a letter confirming it had and it was going to finance to calculate the final payment.
What was a little concerning was the statement we had in April did not match his ex's and they are trying to say we are in arrears and will have to pay £143 July and £130 August.If we are in arrears and we pay £300 every month why is it only £143 and £130 and not £443 and £43?
Our statement says we are in credit by £134 and the CSA calculated our July payment to only be £90 due to when CHB was stopped due to partners daughter starting work.
Anyone else come across any differences in statements before?