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Net migration down nearly 100,000 over the year
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »
We need to prevent the ratio between workers and dependents from continuing to fall, as it is already reaching the point of being unsustainably low.
Why?
Is this the good old pensions pyramid scheme again?
The stuff that the parlimentary evidence noted as a false claim? Mainly because....guess what, shoveling more people in only means more people need a pension.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »The stuff that the parlimentary evidence noted as a false claim? Mainly because....guess what, shoveling more people in only means more people need a pension.
Which of course, doesn't make it a 'false claim'.
It does however buy time for the age care burden to be passed down through several generations until we get to the point that we all pay for our own care, not those of the people 3 generations ahead of us.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Which of course, doesn't make it a 'false claim'.
It does however buy time for the age care burden to be passed down through several generations until we get to the point that we all pay for our own care, not those of the people 3 generations ahead of us.
Oh right, so basically, it buys time for you and me.
The rest can sort themselves out after paying for you and me?
Forgive me....I don't believe this to be a good reason to bring loads more people into the country. And, it's quite exploitative.0 -
Hamish has only one answer, to increase numbers. Presumably, when people no longer want to come here then he will call it game over.
I tell you what Hamish. Vote for Scottish independence, and trial it up there if you wish. Forget 200K per year, why don't you aim big. Go for 500K additional people per year, purely in Scotland.
I shall watch on with vested interest, and if in 10 years time Scotland is a world power house I shall doff my cap to you and say congrats
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http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/only-immigrants-can-save-us-from-pensioners.htmlOnly immigrants can save us from pensioners
Record numbers of Britons are retiring and there’s only one way we’re realistically going to be able to afford it.
Immigration is part of the solution to how we deal with our changing demographics. If we stop people coming to this country then one of the side effects will be that our worker/dependency ratio will shrink rapidly, as the number of workers covering the benefits of the very old and young shrinks.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
And so it ends as it always does.
The man that shouts "racist" at everyone who doesn't buy in.
Suddenly were to the nub of the issue.
Pile them in. It doesn't matter what they do, menial stuff is just fine. They will pay for our pensions which WE haven't paid enough for by doing "whatever they need to to do". They can then pay their own pensions further down the line.
So, basically, shovel em in, pay for us, leave them to sort themselves out....in a nutshell.
Yer were the racists and the uncompassionate ones.0 -
Hamish has only one answer, to increase numbers.
No, that's only one part of the answer. But a vital part, without which we cannot succeed.
The other parts are increasing retirement age, increasing use of technology, increasing the amount we all save towards our retirements through introduction of mandatory workplace pensions, etc.
Basically, spending the next 50 years or more getting to the point where we all pay for ourselves, instead of those 2 or 3 generations ahead of us.
Once that happens, then within reason, demographic fluctuations don't matter so much.
But it won't happen overnight, and we can't get from here to there without maintaining the worker/pensioner ratio at close to current levels.
Which means immigration, for now.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »And so it ends as it always does.
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It really doesn't matter what a handful of people on this forum think GD.
The voters will decide. Judging by the UKIP popularity vote, I don't think they buy into Hamish's argument.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »Oh right, so basically, it buys time for you and me. .
And everyone else.
I absolutely guarantee you that if you were offered the choice, today, to change to a system where increasing population was not required, you'd look at the numbers in terms of what it would cost you and everybody else in society, then realise it was completely and utterly unaffordable.
You'd be talking in the region of taxes doubling for everybody, and that would also collapse the economic system as we know it.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Judging by the UKIP popularity vote, I don't think they buy into Hamish's argument.
It's not just my argument....
It's that of Economists, the OBR, the ONS, etc.
Even Germany has finally woken up and realised they need to open the floodgates to young immigrants to avoid disaster.
http://www.dw.de/top-german-economists-urge-higher-pension-age-more-immigration/a-15089189Top German economists urge higher pension age, more immigration
Germany's leading economic gurus have called for an eventual rise in the pension age to 69 as well as more immigration.
Both are among the measures that experts claim are needed to deal with demographic changes.
The absurdity of the conversation around immigration in this country is just, well, absolutely remarkable.
That a significant minority of the population are still anti-immigration, when the reality is that we need to be competing with other ageing western countries like Germany to try and attract more immigrants if we're to avoid economic disaster, is completely bonkers.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0
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