Can Nicogel be prescribed by your doctor??

Lita_Ford

Considdering this forum is about money saving should you be promoting money wasting products nicotine

misswig

absolutebounder wrote: »

You are not an agent for this product are you?

No i am not an agent for this product. I have thouroughly researched this product and also haev been to the factory wwhere it is produced as well as having to face to face contact with the inventor of the product. Nicogel is NOT a nicotine replacement and should NOT be used if you are wanting to give up smoking. It is to be used when you are not allowed to have a cigarette ie on a flight, restaurant and from the 1st July, the workplace. It is extremely popular and many large global companies are using it to aifd their employees in a non smoking working environment. It is also massively popular in America. It is sold in many major supermarkets in the UK.



To aid our workforce, we re selling this product onto them at cost price, that is to say the price we buy it at in bulk. TYhis price is cheaper than retail and is in fact a lot cheapr than a cigarette would be. In addition to this we will also be saving money in the reduction of time spent with people off work due to stress in not being allowed to smoke on company premises etc,

If you will please look at my original post it was to enquire if it can be prescribed for the price of a prescription (6.85). This will in fact possibly save people money if this is true and aid me in giving people help when they come to me stressed to hell out of it because they cannot smoke.

Vxx

absolutebounder

misswig wrote: »

No i am not an agent for this product. I have thouroughly researched this product

Its a pity you know so little about the subject. in an earlier post you said that Nicotine was not present in tobacco but was a man made substance which was added to the cigarette Heres what wikopedia says about the tobacco plant
Nicotiana refers to a genus of short-leafed plants of the nightshade family indigenous to North and South America. The leaves of various Nicotiana sp., also commonly referred to as tobacco plants, are cultivated and grown to produce tobacco. The plants contain high quantities of nicotine and as such are commonly used as entheogens and used for pleasure. The leaves processed into forms where they can be smoked, chewed, and sniffed..

and also haev been to the factory wwhere it is produced as well as having to face to face contact with the inventor of the product. Nicogel is NOT a nicotine replacement and should NOT be used if you are wanting to give up smoking.

It is to be used when you are not allowed to have a cigarette ie on a flight, restaurant and from the 1st July, the workplace. It is extremely popular and many large global companies are using it to aifd their employees in a non smoking working environment.

This is another example of how marketing mugs people into buying rubbish

It is also massively popular in America.

So was the Iraq war and George Bush

It is sold in many major supermarkets in the UK.

So why shouldnt people buy it from there if they really need it

To aid our workforce, we re selling this product onto them at cost price, that is to say the price we buy it at in bulk. TYhis price is cheaper than retail and is in fact a lot cheapr than a cigarette would be.

Thats generous! Keep people in the smoking loop even while at work. keep them hooked to wasting money when they get home

In addition to this we will also be saving money in the reduction of time spent with people off work due to stress in not being allowed to smoke on company premises etc,

Nicotine is an irritant and CAUSES stress

If you will please look at my original post it was to enquire if it can be prescribed for the price of a prescription (6.85).

Oh great you want the tax payer to pay for peoples lack of will power

This will in fact possibly save people money if this is true

Well if the tax payer is coughing up you could be right here though they wouldnt save as much as they would if they gave up

and aid me in giving people help when they come to me stressed to hell out of it because they cannot smoke.

Vxx

This last bit is the best. as stated above nicotine causes stress to the body it does not relieve it You can hear an 80 a day chain smoker say "I will just have one to calm my nerves" The fact that he has already had 79 earlier in the day and he is not sparked out on the floor shows it doesnt work. if it was alchohol or marihuana he would have passed out on the deck seems lost on people.
if people in your work place are so stressed why dont you give them proper stress relief treatment?
No wonder your firm has a problem if it has so little understanding of stress and is encouraging the use of tobacco products

misswig

absolutebounder wrote: »

This last bit is the best. as stated above nicotine causes stress to the body it does not relieve it You can hear an 80 a day chain smoker say "I will just have one to calm my nerves" The fact that he has already had 79 earlier in the day and he is not sparked out on the floor shows it doesnt work. if it was alchohol or marihuana he would have passed out on the deck seems lost on people.
if people in your work place are so stressed why dont you give them proper stress relief treatment?
No wonder your firm has a problem if it has so little understanding of stress and is encouraging the use of tobacco products

I'm sorry absolue bounder but i cant understand what your problem is.

We are providing this product at cost price (which is cheaper than buying it retail) in order to help people at work deal with the cravings of needing a cigarette when they are not allowed to have one. These people are not all wanting to give up smoking. In order to alleviate the stress of not being able to smoke (I'm sure you will agree that not being able to have that 'fix' of nicotine when people are used to having a 'fix' 80 times a day will cause a lot of stress and when you talking of a workforce of over 600 and just over 50%are smokers thats a lot of stressed, p!ssed off employees) we are offering them the option of using this product at cost .

That is not to say that we are not encouraging people to quit, we simply acknowledge the fact thaat trying to force them to do so against their will is an infringement on their civil libities-if they want to smoke then fine but as from the 1st July 2007 they will be unable to do so in the workplace (the majority of it is enclosed and the massive global company which i work for has deemed that the whole premises is to become smoke free) hence the CIGARETTE replacement.

As a non-smoker and a tax payer myself i agree that this product should not be prescribable- if people want to smoke fine but do it at your own expense!! My question 'can it be prescribed?' was based on being told by someone that they had had it prescibed by their doctor not on the basis that i think it should be

misswig

As for stress relief i often find that a glass of wine does the trick. Seriously though, we as a company also pay into a private counselling service which people can be reffered to either internally or externally, we offer smoking cessattion counselling sessions for those who want to stop smoking again both internally and externally in company time, we have a company doctor on site twice a week who will refer people if necessary etc etc. As a company we dont have a massive problem with stress, however when tne 1st July comes abut we have prempted a problema nd working to reduce it before it begins

MonkeySaving?

misswig wrote: »

Hi

Just a quick question

I am on occupational health advisor and as part of support given to employees due to the smoke free policy coming into force soon, we are selling Nicogel-a cigarette replacement to employees at cost price. I have heard from someone today that it is available on prescription. Is this true??

I was given to believe that it wasn't lisenced as a medication (hence the ability to sell it on)

Thanks

Vxx

I'll give you a simple answer to your question, and that is NO, it is not available on prescription. The only smoking therapy products available on prescription are Zyban (aka Wellbutrin), Varenicline and conventional NRT therapies such as inhalers, gum & patches. I'm on Varenicline at the moment and it's working wonders so i asked my doctor & the smoking cessation nurse about this and they categorically said no.

absolutebounder

misswig wrote: »

I'm sorry absolue bounder but i cant understand what your problem is.

Simple, the misery, illness, and poverty caused by tobacco and the companies that promote it and its products.

We are providing this product at cost price (which is cheaper than buying it retail) in order to help people at work deal with the cravings of needing a cigarette when they are not allowed to have one.

They wont have many cravings whilst the mind is distracted and they are working hard

These people are not all wanting to give up smoking. In order to alleviate the stress of not being able to smoke (I'm sure you will agree that not being able to have that 'fix' of nicotine when people are used to having a 'fix' 80 times a day will cause a lot of stress

No I wouldnt say this is stressful they might however enjoy the fag more at the end of work or they might realise they dont need to smoke that much, giving away the fact that nicotine is not really chemically addictive.

and when you talking of a workforce of over 600 and just over 50%are smokers thats a lot of stressed, p!ssed off employees) we are offering them the option of using this product at cost .

Over 50% is an above average smoking figure. You are obviously not addressing the problem well

That is not to say that we are not encouraging people to quit, we simply acknowledge the fact thaat trying to force them to do so against their will is an infringement on their civil libities

No wonder you have a problem in the firm what about the civil liberties of the passive smoker

-if they want to smoke then fine but as from the 1st July 2007 they will be unable to do so in the workplace (the majority of it is enclosed and the massive global company which i work for has deemed that the whole premises is to become smoke free) hence the CIGARETTE replacement.

By this attitude the firm is condoning smoking which will cost it a lot more in lost production and health issues over the years

As a non-smoker and a tax payer myself i agree that this product should not be prescribable-

Well we definitely agree there

if people want to smoke fine but do it at your own expense!! My question 'can it be prescribed?' was based on being told by someone that they had had it prescibed by their doctor not on the basis that i think it should be

And we agree there too

As for stress relief i often find that a glass of wine does the trick.

That is because alchohol is a depressant and nicotine is not

Seriously though, we as a company also pay into a private counselling service which people can be reffered to either internally or externally, we offer smoking cessattion counselling sessions for those who want to stop smoking again both internally and externally in company time, we have a company doctor on site twice a week who will refer people if necessary etc etc.

This sounds expensive

As a company we dont have a massive problem with stress, however when tne 1st July comes abut we have prempted a problema nd working to reduce it before it begins

I think your company is wasting money by incorrectly pre-empting a problem that isnt there. statistics show that the majority of smokers would actually like to give up. if the job is stressful it would be better too give deep relaxation therapy and other forms of stress counseling or perhaps find the stress areas and address those problems and you will save the copany millions

absolutebounder

MonkeySaving? wrote: »

I'll give you a simple answer to your question, and that is NO, it is not available on prescription. The only smoking therapy products available on prescription are Zyban (aka Wellbutrin), Varenicline and conventional NRT therapies such as inhalers, gum & patches. I'm on Varenicline at the moment and it's working wonders so i asked my doctor & the smoking cessation nurse about this and they categorically said no.

Hi monkey saving.
glad to see Varenicline working as it has had interesting trials, although the placebo scored an abnormally high 18% in the trials.
Are you having other forms of counselling with the drug.
Are you suffering any side effects, Nausea has been reported in some cases.
i am interested as Zyban does seem to cause a lot of problems and I am wondering if other treatments can be combined to increase the efficiency of the treatment.

MortgageMamma

A little off topic I know but as an owner of a growing company, I would prefer to encourage my employees to spend 45 minutes on an onsite gym during their lunchbreak than spend the money on free drugs. Its proven that exercise is the best stress relief ever and thats why I spent 90 minutes on a cross trainer and rowing machine every day. It doesnt have to be vigorous exercise, just a gentle walk in the park can break up the day and relieve tension. I think your company needs to review its policy and promote the physical and mental wellbeing of all its employees, not just those that are perceived to suffer because of a long overdue public smoking ban.

misswig

Absolute bounder

The company which i work for is not condoning smoking-hence the complete no smoking policy rather than smoking in designated areas away from enclosed spaces from July 1st. We are actively encouraging smokers to give up and offer a lot of support to those who do want too. Yes it may be expensive but the company (or I)feel that in the long run it will benefit the workforce (and therefore the company). There are a number of people who for their own reasons do either not want to give up or feel that they cant at this time (for any number of reasons- lack of will power, personal circumstances, or the fact that they enjoy smoking). Morally it would be wrong and unsympathetic of us to say tough get on with it (my touchy feely nursey bit). From the company perspective, it will lead to a disgruntled, stressed proportion of the workforce leading to a higher sickness absence rate, decreased productivity and an increased risk of fires (as we are aware that people will still try to smoke but secretly in unsuitable area). In addition to this the company will be at increased risk of work related stress compensation claimsas we would be enforcing the new legislation with little help for those smokers who continue to smoke and as new health and safety guideline now say that companies need to do more to reduce the instances of work related stress (ie, not only pointing them in a direction of a councillor, but removing the source of stress itself), those that sue are likely to recieve huge payouts. Let me make it clear, this perspective is purely from the companies point of view, however as an OHA, i walk a fine line between the best interests of the employer and the employee. By offering Nicogel to those who do not wish to give up smoking at cost price (which is cheaper than cigarettes) I am fulfilling my role as an OHA in offering support or an alternative method of getting rid of cravings to the workforce whilst at the same time fulfilling a company role in possibly reducing the number of claims made, keeping productivity up and sickness absence down at no cost to the taxpayer, company and to the financial benefit of those using it. I am not forcing them to use it, it is there if they chose too. For those that do want to give up, I offer smoking cessation councelling sessions and also can refer to external agencies if required