Dismissed on 2nd day, job spec change

Kayalana99

poet123 wrote: »

I would think that from the job title she expected and was possibly contracted to do an admin and management role. Imagine if that role was in a garage, if the mechanic went sick would you expect her to get under a car?

I can't think of a better example but this is unrealistic as you have to be trained to be a mechanic(I'd rather go under a car then do Personal care but I would have no idea how to!)...personal care is something were all capule of doing but obvouisly alot of us would prefer not to which is probally why she refused.

I find it really unfair that you can be dismissed for no valid reason and have no grounds for complaint....shes done all the right things getting a job before leaving her old one then this happens...

poet123

Kayalana99 wrote: »

I can't think of a better example but this is unrealistic as you have to be trained to be a mechanic(I'd rather go under a car then do Personal care but I would have no idea how to!)...personal care is something were all capule of doing but obvouisly alot of us would prefer not to which is probally why she refused.

I find it really unfair that you can be dismissed for no valid reason and have no grounds for complaint....shes done all the right things getting a job before leaving her old one then this happens...

No, we are not all capable of doing personal care. When dealing with sick, or frail elderly people you have to be trained in the correct method of lifting, and various other care issues. That is aside from the hands on aspect which is certainly not for everyone.

Old_Git

this should have been brought up at her interview .It should never have got to the dismissal stage.

Torry_Quine

I think it surprising that someone is employed as a Care Co-ordinator who has not previously worked themself as a carer and not able to do the job. Personally I would think a manager should be able to do the job of their staff as that way they are more able to know the ins and outs of the job.

real1314

Torry_Quine wrote: »

I think it surprising that someone is employed as a Care Co-ordinator who has not previously worked themself as a carer and not able to do the job. Personally I would think a manager should be able to do the job of their staff as that way they are more able to know the ins and outs of the job.

The manager of a formula 1 racing team invariably cannot drive the car.
The manager of a horse racing operation...not a jockey
The manager of a restaurant...not a chef

Anyways up, despite another example of dogger's ignorance, stating something he/she cannot back up, the provision of direct personal care such as bathing requires someone who is comfortable with this type of activity, to ensure that the recipient of care is also comfortable.
If a person is distinctly uncomfortable with it, they cannot perform the function and should not be sanctioned for it.

real1314

Dogger69 wrote: »

She will need to sign on for JSA, but be aware that her claim could be sanctioned. There is nothing unreasonable in their request for her to do some personal care.

Yes there is. You're at it again, but you are wrong.
Do you actually have any experience of job seekers agreements?

Torry_Quine

real1314 wrote: »

The manager of a formula 1 racing team invariably cannot drive the car.
The manager of a horse racing operation...not a jockey
The manager of a restaurant...not a chef

Anyways up, despite another example of dogger's ignorance, stating something he/she cannot back up, the provision of direct personal care such as bathing requires someone who is comfortable with this type of activity, to ensure that the recipient of care is also comfortable.
If a person is distinctly uncomfortable with it, they cannot perform the function and should not be sanctioned for it.

I have no experience in those areas mentioned but motor racing and horse racing are not really the same thing at all. However I would have thought that the manager of a restaurant while maybe not a chef would have gained experience in the restaurant field in some form or other.

poet123

Torry_Quine wrote: »

I have no experience in those areas mentioned but motor racing and horse racing are not really the same thing at all. However I would have thought that the manager of a restaurant while maybe not a chef would have gained experience in the restaurant field in some form or other.

The point is that if you are in an admin role, that is organising rotas, dealing with wages, paying expenses etc, which is what the job title "co ordinator" implies then you need not have hands on experience. Similar to a ward clerk not requiring nursing expertise.

Dogger69

real1314 wrote: »

Yes there is. You're at it again, but you are wrong.
Do you actually have any experience of job seekers agreements?

I do, thank you.

Her claim could be sanctioned if the request is deemed not to be an unreasonable one. Unless she can give a valid reason why the request was unreasonable (for instance, her own disability, as mentioned above), she could be deemed to have intentionally made herself unemployed.

Dogger69

poet123 wrote: »

The point is that if you are in an admin role, that is organising rotas, dealing with wages, paying expenses etc, which is what the job title "co ordinator" implies then you need not have hands on experience. Similar to a ward clerk not requiring nursing expertise.

But a ward clerk could be expected to assist in basic HCA duties - for instance, assisting at meal times. No one is suggesting they should fulfil the role of a professional.