New Generation Parking Management Ltd (NGP)

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Computersaysno wrote: »

C-M

Are you saying that ignoring all comms except genuine ct papers will result in a different outcome than your advice??

You're comparing apples with pears. Time and again we see that vulnerable people do not have the will power to resist the letter stream, crumble and pay.

The outcome *is* the same for the victim, as long as they have the the mental fortitude, and they didn't move within 6 years.

The timescale is of course different.

As is the bank balance of the PPC, which will be £27 lighter.

Stroma

There are pluses and minuses with both ways of dealing with fake tickets. It's not up to us what the people seeking advice should do. The best option is to give them all 3 options and let them decide.

1) pay them
2) appeal
3) ignore

If a brief explanation is given to each one the OP can decide which fits them the best, if they choose an option we can explain in detail the choice they have made.

We shouldn't as a group be making decisions for people, and we shouldn't be forcing people into a situation that perhaps they don't want to do. If someone wants to ignore its up to them and not us. And frustrating as it is if they decide to pay its their decision not ours.

Computersaysno

I agree.

Pay - if you want the problem to go away totally [and can afford to waste the money].

Appeal - requires effort if you are OK writing letters and want to cost the PPC money at the same time

Ignore - requires no effort, but you'll get 1-6 letters [that mean nothing and have no legal standing]

wriggly

Each of these has a caveat:

Computersaysno wrote: »

Pay - if you want the problem to go away totally [and can afford to waste the money].

...although PPCs have been known to say your discounted payment arrived after the deadline, so you owe them the full amount. Which puts you back to square 1.

Appeal - requires effort if you are OK writing letters and want to cost the PPC money at the same time

...keeping the forum informed of what you are doing, as it is important to produce the right arguments at the right time.

Ignore - requires no effort, but you'll get 1-6 letters [that mean nothing and have no legal standing]

...unless you get a stamped court document, in which case, post to the forum for assistance.

jo54fne

Thanks for all the advice guys. It might be me being completely stupid but I really don't know what to do for the best.

1) Yes I could pay it but can't really afford to, especially with expensive vet bills due soon.

2) Yes I could appeal as I can write letters having dealt with OFCOM complaints for 2 years, but do I have the time? No, as I am out 12 hours a day. (Suppose I could write them in work)

3) Yes I can ignore them, if i'm convinced that nothing will come of it.

Please can someone confirm that this is definitely a fake PCN. Nothing is printed on the back of the flyer part.

(As a newbie I am not allowed to post links so please PM and I will give you the link or if someone could PM me and post the link for me i'd really appreciate it :T I am pretty sure it's fake but just want to double check!)

Coupon-mad wrote: »

No, he's a newbie who joined in February and keeps telling people to ignore which was the OLD advice.

Please just follow my advice (I don't normally say this but look at my joining date and number of posts!).

And click on my username and see my posts, to see how often I've posted on this forum every day for a few years!

Coupon-mad - I have looked at a lot of the feeds and yes you do give a hell of a lot of advice and seem to know what you are talking about, I commend you for that. However, having looked at the Pepipoo forum you posted at the top (#4) it also says ignoring is still an option.

Also looking on the POPLA website it states that:

Reading the point on page 23 first of all makes the rest of the document rather moot and highlights the nonsense that is the POF Act:

"Charges for breaking a parking contract must be reasonable and a genuine pre- estimate of loss. This means charges must compensate the landholder only for the loss they are likely to suffer because the parking contract has been broken. For example, to cover the unpaid charges and the administrative costs associated with issuing the ticket to recover the charges. Charges may not be set at higher levels than necessary to recover business losses and the intention should not be to penalise the driver".

So doesn't that make appealing a total waste of time, paper and subsquently trees?!

Do I need to go and take pictures of the site, signs and faded yellow lines and other cars (not ticketed) parked there?

What if I appeal and lose won't I then have to pay the fine?

Grrr!!! I'm so confused! Don't know what to do for the best! :eek::embarasse:think:

Stroma

It's not a fine but an invoice, if you appeal and it fails at popla it's not binding upon you to pay, ultimately if you don't pay them you'll have to ignore 5-6 letters and that's it. But ignoring has its own risks, for example they could make a claim.

But this company has never done that before as far as we are aware, and certainly not in 2011 as we have a full list of companies who has done that, the 2012 list will be shortly once the FOI request is requested and replied too.

kittiej

If it did go to court then you could always counter-claim for the sticky stuff which was really hard to clean off your windscreen and incidently amounts to the same amount the Claimant is asking for

Coupon-mad

jo54fne wrote: »

Please can someone confirm that this is definitely a fake PCN. Nothing is printed on the back of the flyer part.

Yes, any NGP 'ticket' is a fake PCN, not one issued by any authority. You can tell because it's a PARKING Charge Notice, not a PENALTY Charge Notice.

jo54fne wrote: »

Coupon-mad - I have looked at a lot of the feeds and yes you do give a hell of a lot of advice and seem to know what you are talking about, I commend you for that. However, having looked at the Pepipoo forum you posted at the top (#4) it also says ignoring is still an option.

Yes it is, I have ignored 2 fake PCNs. And 99% don't go anywhere except sending the registered keeper some junk mail for a few months.

jo54fne wrote: »

Also looking on the POPLA website it states that:

Reading the point on page 23 first of all makes the rest of the document rather moot and highlights the nonsense that is the POF Act:

"Charges for breaking a parking contract must be reasonable and a genuine pre- estimate of loss. This means charges must compensate the landholder only for the loss they are likely to suffer because the parking contract has been broken. For example, to cover the unpaid charges and the administrative costs associated with issuing the ticket to recover the charges. Charges may not be set at higher levels than necessary to recover business losses and the intention should not be to penalise the driver".

So doesn't that make appealing a total waste of time, paper and subsquently trees?!

Do I need to go and take pictures of the site, signs and faded yellow lines and other cars (not ticketed) parked there?

No it's not that simple because that explanation about 'losses' is only relevant if the PPC is claiming the charge is for trespass. Most actually pretend it's a contractual agreement with you, from the driver reading the signs, and in that case the 'loss' stuff doesn't apply (but other arguments at appeal do!).

Other cars not ticketed is irrelevant. But yes to pictures of signs, such as lack of a sign at the entrance, high up/unlit signs with small wording, unclear terms, no terms! Even if you plan to ignore, such pics would be good to keep with your file of all the letters (just in case).

jo54fne wrote: »

What if I appeal and lose won't I then have to pay the fine?

No, POPLA is only binding on the PPC not the motorist. And we don't expect to lose them now, we are quite confident we know what to say when helping people with their POPLA appeals!

If you have no time to write the first appeal to NGP why not wait for the Notice to Keeper and then send a version like this one:

http://www.parkingcowboys.co.uk/appeal-letter/

...having simply checked what breaches NGP have managed with that NTK:

http://www.parkingcowboys.co.uk/keeper-liability/


HTH, if you want to show the NTK when it arrives we can look at it, plus the PCN, and we can help point out any breaches we spot.

Computersaysno

jo54...

In summary yes you can ignore as the 'easiest' option for you.

halibut2209

On a purely unrelated matter, can I ask which car park it was? Just wondering if it's near any Doctor Who filming locations