Coke Zero - Is it better than normal fizzy drinks?

A._Badger

Roger_Moore_007 wrote: »

Stephen, you forgot log yourself out of your A. Badger account, you're obviously having a conversation with yourself.

What has happened in your life to cause you to be so angry, it's ok if you're not well endowed, it doesn't make you any less of a man!

You probably work for the food and drink industry, which would explain your remarkable ignorance. If you don't work within the industry why are you so keen to defend such an outdated viewpoint? Your information is just plainly wrong, if you want to drink beverages like Coke that is up to you, but don't try and pretend that it's anything other than bad for your health on a grand scale.

You are wrong in your claim that 'most sodas' contain phosphoric acid
and caffeine.

Resorting to infantile fantasies about the identity of posters and what people do for a living makes no difference to the extent of your error.

stephen77

Roger_Moore_007 wrote: »

The problem with most of your points is that you are comparing Coke with other things that are also bad for your body like coffee, the only difference is that coffee is nowhere near as severe.

Exercise or consuming something like carrots may cause certain reactions in your brain, the difference is that they are not doing this via man made chemicals.

The point about needing to urinate is that urinating water does not drain your body of useful nutrients, Coke does drain the body of nutrients as it passes through your body. Water hydrates, Coke does not.

Sugar & caffeine are natural. These are the ingredients you are referring to giving the buzz.

I only compared coke to carrots and coffee. Carrots are healthy. I would not call coffee bad either.

Your body has no idea what is natural and man made. It does not care. It responds to chemical on a individual basis based on the attributes of the chemical whether natural or man made.

My point about urinating is that the author of the article makes no consideration to what else I have consumed that day.
Eg I drank lots of water and had mineral tablets on top. I very hydrated and not lacking mineral in my diet.

stephen77

Roger_Moore_007 wrote: »

Stephen, you forgot log yourself out of your A. Badger account, you're obviously having a conversation with yourself.

What has happened in your life to cause you to be so angry, it's ok if you're not well endowed, it doesn't make you any less of a man!

You probably work for the food and drink industry, which would explain your remarkable ignorance. If you don't work within the industry why are you so keen to defend such an outdated viewpoint? Your information is just plainly wrong, if you want to drink beverages like Coke that is up to you, but don't try and pretend that it's anything other than bad for your health on a grand scale.

why is the view outdated as it differs from your with no supporting evidence?
I posted some links to peer reviewed articles.
Most of the supermarkets have removed aspartame from there drinks. ASDA and JS have. Had a curious nosey at the JS own labels drinks today (well not coke) and no aspartame in the ones I saw.

Coke is not bad your health on a grand scale. yes if you drink to much and you exceed your kcal intake this may lead to health issues. But this is due to over eating rather than specifically coke being the issue.
Can you choose a healthier lifestyle by not having coke in your diet = yes. But its not a anti-Christ in a bottle your claiming it to be.

as for a.badger being angry. They reacted your holocaust accusation, there was no need for that statement. You could just said "sky is blue" etc.

stephen77

A._Badger wrote: »

Resorting to infantile fantasies about the identity of posters and what people do for a living makes no difference to the extent of your error.

what better way to deflect being wrong than try and say we are the same person. It will not be the first or last time this happens.

Roger_Moore_007

This thread is so ironic and comical it is absurd. I don't know if you actually believe the nonsense you are spouting, but if you do then I genuinely feel sorry for your ignorant state of mind.

The evidence you have provided doesn't even fully support your argument if you actually read it, apart from the fact that it's funded by the companies that make drinks that contain aspartame! I mean come on do you really believe it when you say that your body will accept a man made chemical just as it would a natural vitamin or mineral? Caffeine is fine for the human body in small doses, so is naturally occurring sugar in fruits and vegetables. The problems begin when you consume large amounts of refined white sugar. Obviously many people require added sugar for things like tea and coffee, I always use unrefined demerara as it contains far less chemicals than refined sugar.

Why don't you try and educate yourself by watching some documentaries on how the food and drink industry works and how they are inserting a myriad of chemicals that have dangerous side effects for the human body. A good one to start off with would be Food Matters, there are also plenty of books on the subject that will open your eyes to the damage processed food and drink does to your system.

Getting to the accusation that I somehow lowered the tone of the argument, well I think that began when A. Badger tried to suggest that I was an idiot and that I had somehow made an error by copying a piece that included the word soda. I notice that A. Badger has made no reference to the litany of spelling and gramatical errors in most of Stephen's comments, of course he wouldn't want to do that as it would create some balance to the debate!

Anyway, I'm sure you will continue your daily lives in blissful ignorance, so I may just have to leave you both alone to contemplate the subject. If you have anything worthwhile to say I'll gladly respond.

A._Badger

Roger_Moore_007 wrote: »

Getting to the accusation that I somehow lowered the tone of the argument, well I think that began when A. Badger tried to suggest that I was an idiot and that I had somehow made an error by copying a piece that included the word soda. I notice that A. Badger has made no reference to the litany of spelling and gramatical errors in most of Stephen's comments, of course he wouldn't want to do that as it would create some balance to the debate!

You reduced the 'debate' to the level of a bear pit when you accused me of being a holocaust denier. because I refuse to subscribe to your scientifically illiterate ravings, culled from crank websites. .

Meanwhile, you have still not even attempted to justify your preposterous claim that most "sodas" contain phosphoric acid and caffeine.

They do not and you have not a single shred of evidence to the contrary.

'Bonkers' doesn't even begin to describe your increasingly strange posts.

bornintoit

Roger Moore 007, you were out of order accusing A. Badger of being a holocaust denier. Maybe you should keep a sense of perspective and calm down. A thread on coca cola doesn't merit such a serious accusation as the one you threw at A. Badger.

As for the topic, I don't think fizzy drinks will ever be considered healthy but if someone wants to drink one occasionally I doubt it will be harmful on their overall health. Moderation as with everything is the key, I don't drink fizzy drinks but I do like crisps for example but I know that they are a treat rather than a daily food.

Roger_Moore_007

A._Badger wrote: »

You reduced the 'debate' to the level of a bear pit when you accused me of being a holocaust denier. because I refuse to subscribe to your scientifically illiterate ravings, culled from crank websites. .

Meanwhile, you have still not even attempted to justify your preposterous claim that most "sodas" contain phosphoric acid and caffeine.

They do not and you have not a single shred of evidence to the contrary.

'Bonkers' doesn't even begin to describe your increasingly strange posts.

You should try going back and reading what you are quoting, I said "You would probably deny the holocaust if it suited your argument". I fail to see how I have actually accused you of being a holocaust denier? You should also read back where I stated that those were not my claims about phosphoric acid etc, it was simply an article lifted from an American based website (hence the term sodas).

My main argument is with the high amount of sugar and more worryingly the aspartame they replace sugar with in 'diet' drinks.

You seem to have the viewpoint that scientists know all there is to know and that any advances in scientific research that suggest there are health issues with high levels of sugar and aspartame are somehow invalid. As I said before, why not try opening your mind on the subjects you speak about instead of stubbornly sticking to a point of view that has been indirectly fed to you by biased self-serving organisations like Coca Cola.

People used to think that smoking was fine and would do no harm to their health because that is what the tobacco companies suggested was the case. There are probably a few people that still believe this. Although I'm not saying that Coke is anywhere near as severe as smoking, there are parallels in terms of what the public believe in terms of health effects.

stephen77

Roger_Moore_007 wrote: »

Why don't you try and educate yourself by watching some documentaries on how the food and drink industry works and how they are inserting a myriad of chemicals that have dangerous side effects for the human body. A good one to start off with would be Food Matters, there are also plenty of books on the subject that will open your eyes to the damage processed food and drink does to your system.
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you accuse me of working for the food industry. Then you tell me to go and read about the food industry because I am not educated on the matter.

Which one is it?

food matters is for a Americans. What the Australian add or do not add is up to them and I can not comment on as we are discussing the UK diet.

stephen77

Roger_Moore_007 wrote: »

People used to think that smoking was fine and would do no harm to their health because that is what the tobacco companies suggested was the case. There are probably a few people that still believe this. Although I'm not saying that Coke is anywhere near as severe as smoking, there are parallels in terms of what the public believe in terms of health effects.

people used to think the world was flat and masturbation would make you go blind. and some people may still believe the latter. Science has worked both ways in finding some things are harmless and some are not.