Coke Zero - Is it better than normal fizzy drinks?

A._Badger

Roger_Moore_007 wrote: »

Coke itself isn’t the enemy here. It’s the dynamic combo of massive sugar doses combined with caffeine and phosphoric acid, which are found in almost all sodas. Moderation, people!

No, not "sodas". You mean colas. If you are going to use the American terms you read on alarmist "health" sites, at least take care to use them correctly.

James_Lahey

I've never really been a big fan of coke (although cannot say the same about heroin....)

Your body ups your dopamine production, stimulating the pleasure centers of your brain. This is physically the same way heroin works, by the way.

Maybe so, but it does a terrible job! Compare a month 5* fully inclusive in your dream destination to 48 hours, leaky tent, no supplies, winter and on the moors

nb. I'm not promoting Heroin here - it's a destructive and super addictive drug and can ruin your life a lot faster than Coke - just sayin!

Nothing wrong with a coke or two in moderation IMO - ideal time is 20 minutes before you drop kids off at grandparents, friends parents and anyone else you enjoy winding up

Roger_Moore_007

A._Badger wrote: »

No, not "sodas". You mean colas. If you are going to use the American terms you read on alarmist "health" sites, at least take care to use them correctly.

Are you saying that soda is not in the English dictionary? Soda is a general term for carbonated drinks, so no I don't mean colas, I mean fizzy drinks in general.

Nothing alarmist either, just factual. Obviously you won't agree with this, there again you would probably deny the holocaust if it suited your argument.

rlf1993

Roger_Moore_007 wrote: »

45 minutes: Your body ups your dopamine production, stimulating the pleasure centers of your brain. This is physically the same way heroin works, by the way.

What a sensationalist, unhelpful comment! Pretty much everything which causes pleasure works on the mesolimbic dopamine system. Runner's high is thought to be caused by endorphins, endogenous opioids, so should we all stop running because it is "physically the same way heroin works, by the way?"

stephen77

Roger_Moore_007 wrote: »

Here is a brief description of what Coke does to the human body when you drink it.


In the first 10 minutes: 10 teaspoons of sugar hit your system. (100% of your recommended daily intake.) You don’t immediately vomit from the overwhelming sweetness because phosphoric acid cuts the flavor, allowing you to keep it down.

10 teaspoons of sugar = 40 grams of sugar.

I could eat 40g of sugar with out feeling sick at all. So could many other people.
Over whelming is subjective and using emotive terms.
GDA in the uk is 90g. so its not even half the amount. Though GDA are a guide and do not cover lots of people.

Roger_Moore_007 wrote: »

20 minutes: Your blood sugar spikes, causing an insulin burst. Your liver responds to this by turning any sugar it can get its hands on into fat. (And there’s plenty of that at this particular moment.)

lot of foods will do the same, not just coke.
Carrots have a higher GI response than coke.
It will get turned into fat if your diet is exceeding your kcal intake.

Roger_Moore_007 wrote: »

40 minutes: Caffeine absorption is complete. Your pupils dilate; your blood pressure rises; as a response, your liver dumps more sugar into your bloodstream. The adenosine receptors in your brain are now blocked, preventing drowsiness.

same goes for coffee and other caffeine containing foods.

Roger_Moore_007 wrote: »

45 minutes: Your body ups your dopamine production, stimulating the pleasure centers of your brain. This is physically the same way heroin works, by the way.

same with other foods and exercise.
Saying it works the same as heroin, is using emotive terms to make it sound worse than it is. If coke had the same side effects as herion. well just ask any herion addict and they will say its not the same

Roger_Moore_007 wrote: »

> 60 minutes: The phosphoric acid binds calcium, magnesium, and zinc in your lower intestine, providing a further boost in metabolism. This is compounded by high doses of sugar and artificial sweeteners also increasing the urinary excretion of calcium.

> 60 minutes: The caffeine’s diuretic properties come into play. (It makes you have to pee.) It is now assured that you’ll evacuate the bonded calcium, magnesium, and zinc that was headed to your bones as well as sodium, electrolytes, and water..

so what if I have to wee more. I have to wee when I drink lots of water.
as for boosting your metabolism. That can be a good thing if your wanting to loose weight and not get fat.
as thermogens go. COke is not a decent one or the supplement industry would be using it as a weight loss tool. THey are not using it.
Coffee etc will have the same diuretic properties. Its not a powerful diuretic either.
Plus depends on the rest of your diet. I may have eaten lots of calcium containing foods + vitamin mineral tablet so have negated any negative effects of the coke.

Roger_Moore_007 wrote: »

> 60 minutes: As the rave inside you dies down, you’ll start to have a sugar crash. You may become irritable and/or sluggish. You’ve also now, literally, !!!!ed away all the water that was in the Coke. But not before infusing it with valuable nutrients your body could have used for things like hydrating your system, or building strong bones and teeth.

This will all be followed by a caffeine crash in the next few hours. (As little as two if you’re a smoker.) Want to know what happens after that? Check out what happens to your body after you drink a coke, every day for a long time.

Coke itself isn’t the enemy here. It’s the dynamic combo of massive sugar doses combined with caffeine and phosphoric acid, which are found in almost all sodas. Moderation, people!

Coke giving a rave, then a crash. I rarely drink coke or coffee as I just do not like the taste. BUt the rare times I do when in a pub and its all they have. I do not get any of this rave and crash.

I agree moderation. However this article is liking reading a drug side effect list that may happen. Ever read the aspirin side effect list or alcohol etc. Its not pretty reading.

Roger_Moore_007

rlf1993 wrote: »

What a sensationalist, unhelpful comment! Pretty much everything which causes pleasure works on the mesolimbic dopamine system. Runner's high is thought to be caused by endorphins, endogenous opioids, so should we all stop running because it is "physically the same way heroin works, by the way?"

I merely lifted the whole piece from a website outlining the dangers of drinking Coca Cola, I wouldn't necessarily use the same example as heroin.

However your comment is incredibly ironic - "should we all stop running?", sensationalist to say the least. Running causes a natural high in the brain, Coke does it chemically without the need for any physical exercise.

The fact is that people don't like being told that the things they do in everyday life are bad for their health. I myself continue to consume products that are certainly not good for my health (biscuits, alcohol, caffeine), although I do it on a far smaller scale than I did previously and I avoid products like Coke as I've become more aware of how bad it is for the human body. I always knew it wasn't exactly good for you, but having seen various research I can now see it is severely bad for you when taken on a regular basis.

I don't expect people to take what I say as 100% accurate, although if a few people research the issues deeper I will be happy with that.

A._Badger

Roger_Moore_007 wrote: »

Are you saying that soda is not in the English dictionary? Soda is a general term for carbonated drinks, so no I don't mean colas, I mean fizzy drinks in general.

Nothing alarmist either, just factual. Obviously you won't agree with this, there again you would probably deny the holocaust if it suited your argument.

Then it would appear I was wrong. You weren't misinformed - merely staggeringly ignorant (and please drop the 'holocaust denier' smears - it makes you look distinctly nasty as well as an idiot).

I suggest you take a long walk down the soft drink aisle of any supermarket and note the ingredients of the fizzy drinks on sale.

Your claim that "almost all" of them contain caffeine and phosphoric acid is absolutely, demonstrably, wrong.

stephen77

Phosphoric acid, used in many soft drinks (primarily cola), has been linked to lower bone density in epidemiological studies. For example, a study[12] using dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry rather than a questionnaire about breakage, provides reasonable evidence to support the theory that drinking cola results in lower bone density. This study was published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. A total of 1672 women and 1148 men were studied between 1996 and 2001. Dietary information was collected using a food frequency questionnaire that had specific questions about the number of servings of cola and other carbonated beverages and that also made a differentiation between regular, caffeine-free, and diet drinks. The paper cites significant statistical evidence to show that women who consume cola daily have lower bone density. Total phosphorus intake was not significantly higher in daily cola consumers than in nonconsumers; however, the calcium-to-phosphorus ratios were lower.
On the other hand, another study suggests that insufficient intake of phosphorus leads to lower bone density. The study does not examine the effect of phosphoric acid, which binds with magnesium and calcium in the digestive tract to form salts that are not absorbed, but rather studies general phosphorus intake.[13]
A clinical study by Heaney and Rafferty using calcium-balance methods found no impact of carbonated soft drinks containing phosphoric acid on calcium excretion.[14] The study compared the impact of water, milk, and various soft drinks (two with caffeine and two without; two with phosphoric acid and two with citric acid) on the calcium balance of 20- to 40-year-old women who customarily consumed ~3 or more cups (680 mL) of a carbonated soft drink per day. They found that, relative to water, only milk and the two caffeine-containing soft drinks increased urinary calcium, and that the calcium loss associated with the caffeinated soft drink consumption was about equal to that previously found for caffeine alone. Phosphoric acid without caffeine had no impact on urine calcium, nor did it augment the urinary calcium loss related to caffeine. Because studies have shown that the effect of caffeine is compensated for by reduced calcium losses later in the day,[15] Heaney and Rafferty concluded that the net effect of carbonated beverages—including those with caffeine and phosphoric acid—is negligible, and that the skeletal effects of carbonated soft drink consumption are likely due primarily to milk displacement.
Other chemicals such as caffeine (also a significant component of popular common cola drinks) were also suspected as possible contributors to low bone density, due to the known effect of caffeine on calciuria. One other study, involving 30 women over the course of a week, suggests that phosphoric acid in colas has no such effect, and postulates that caffeine has only a temporary effect, which is later reversed. The authors of this study conclude that the skeletal effects of carbonated beverage consumption are likely due primarily to milk displacement. (another possible confounding factor may be an association between high soft drink consumption and sedentary lifestyle

straight from wiki with links to peer review studies.

Roger_Moore_007

stephen77 wrote: »

10 teaspoons of sugar = 40 grams of sugar.

I could eat 40g of sugar with out feeling sick at all. So could many other people.
Over whelming is subjective and using emotive terms.
GDA in the uk is 90g. so its not even half the amount. Though GDA are a guide and do not cover lots of people.



lot of foods will do the same, not just coke.
Carrots have a higher GI response than coke.
It will get turned into fat if your diet is exceeding your kcal intake.



same goes for coffee and other caffeine containing foods.



same with other foods and exercise.
Saying it works the same as heroin, is using emotive terms to make it sound worse than it is. If coke had the same side effects as herion. well just ask any herion addict and they will say its not the same


so what if I have to wee more. I have to wee when I drink lots of water.
as for boosting your metabolism. That can be a good thing if your wanting to loose weight and not get fat.
as thermogens go. COke is not a decent one or the supplement industry would be using it as a weight loss tool. THey are not using it.
Coffee etc will have the same diuretic properties. Its not a powerful diuretic either.
Plus depends on the rest of your diet. I may have eaten lots of calcium containing foods + vitamin mineral tablet so have negated any negative effects of the coke.


Coke giving a rave, then a crash. I rarely drink coke or coffee as I just do not like the taste. BUt the rare times I do when in a pub and its all they have. I do not get any of this rave and crash.

I agree moderation. However this article is liking reading a drug side effect list that may happen. Ever read the aspirin side effect list or alcohol etc. Its not pretty reading.

The problem with most of your points is that you are comparing Coke with other things that are also bad for your body like coffee, the only difference is that coffee is nowhere near as severe.

Exercise or consuming something like carrots may cause certain reactions in your brain, the difference is that they are not doing this via man made chemicals.

The point about needing to urinate is that urinating water does not drain your body of useful nutrients, Coke does drain the body of nutrients as it passes through your body. Water hydrates, Coke does not.

Roger_Moore_007

A._Badger wrote: »

Then it would appear I was wrong. You weren't misinformed - merely staggeringly ignorant (and please drop the 'holocaust denier' smears - it makes you look distinctly nasty as well as an idiot).

I suggest you take a long walk down the soft drink aisle of any supermarket and note the ingredients of the fizzy drinks on sale.

Your claim that "almost all" of them contain caffeine and phosphoric acid is absolutely, demonstrably, wrong.

Stephen, you forgot log yourself out of your A. Badger account, you're obviously having a conversation with yourself.

What has happened in your life to cause you to be so angry, it's ok if you're not well endowed, it doesn't make you any less of a man!

You probably work for the food and drink industry, which would explain your remarkable ignorance. If you don't work within the industry why are you so keen to defend such an outdated viewpoint? Your information is just plainly wrong, if you want to drink beverages like Coke that is up to you, but don't try and pretend that it's anything other than bad for your health on a grand scale.