How does a PhD make you a better worker than someone without one?

doitmyself

Monster_Deals wrote: »

... you are a self-starter.....

phil's struggling with this. You could, I guess attempt to explain it to him.

Alt: phil, while you're being naughty and staying up way beyond your bedtime, what do you think this, somewhat clichéd term means, and can you describe a scenario where self-starter may be relevant?

studentphil

Quasar wrote: »

A PhD involves a lot of research - research involves self-organisation and the acquisition of considerable knowledge relevant to a particular field. More knowledge, and the attendant ability to use it, require longer to assimilate and develop, hence more years of study and yes, well deserved recognition.

Or else, why give degrees at all? Why then should a BA or BSc be of advantage over A levels?

Honestly I can't believe we're having this conversation. I'd better find somewhere else to post.

Q rather than ending your post in a downer it would be a good discussion point. Often employers find no advantage in taking graduates over A level holders.

studentphil

doitmyself wrote: »

phil's struggling with this. You could, I guess attempt to explain it to him.

Alt: phil, while you're being naughty and staying up way beyond your bedtime, what do you think this, somewhat clichéd term means, and can you describe a scenario where self-starter may be relevant?

I am a self starter and when I get a job I am going to sweep the place with my ideas and abilities and I won't stop until I get promotion afer promotion. Don't worry there old chum!!

Edinburghlass_2

studentphil wrote: »

Q rather than ending your post in a downer it would be a good discussion point. Often employers find no advantage in taking graduates over A level holders.

How exactly do YOU know what employers find an advantage, goodness one interview for a part time job and YOU know what employers are looking for

I'm With Stupid on this

Quasar

studentphil wrote: »

Q rather than ending your post in a downer it would be a good discussion point. Often employers find no advantage in taking graduates over A level holders.

No, often they don't. It depends on what job they want to fill don't you think? Some jobs require an awful lot of specialised knowledge, expecially at the upper end of biology, physics etc, and this knowledge requires a PhD level.

Downer? You need more than downers to get things into your head. Which is why I still believe you are just a wind up and not a real student at all.

doitmyself

studentphil wrote: »

I am a self starter and when I get a job I am going to sweep the place with my ideas and abilities and I won't stop until I get promotion afer promotion. Don't worry there old chum!!

I've thanked you for that phil, in case the thanks are a bit thin on the ground recently, I don't know. I haven't been called old chum for a long long time, if ever! So cheers.

Didn't answer the question of course, no surprise there though eh, chum(p)?

studentphil

Quasar wrote: »

No, often they don't. It depends on what job they want to fill don't you think? Some jobs require an awful lot of specialised knowledge, expecially at the upper end of biology, physics etc, and this knowledge requires a PhD level.

Downer? You need more than downers to get things into your head. Which is why I still believe you are just a wind up and not a real student at all.

I understand fine that some jobs are highly specialist and a degree and PhD is a must.

Quasar

studentphil wrote: »

I understand fine that some jobs are highly specialist and a degree and PhD is a must.

So what was the point of this thread then? Yes, PhD are there for a reason. Big discovery?

studentphil

Quasar wrote: »

So what was the point of this thread then? Yes, PhD are there for a reason. Big discovery?

But the vast majority of jobs in this country are not in pure sciences, so how does a PhD improve you for a standard job in business or at the council say?

studentphil

How is a person without a PhD going to compete with someone with a PhD for a job?