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just been sanctioned, not my fault
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Well you must be stupid because if you linked me with a job on ujm you would have to give it to me by hand telephone or text but you would not be able to give it to me via UJM.
Registering for ujm is only mandatory in a action plan. Using it as a job search is not,
Get your facts right.
Do you understand now.
Exactly I would just print it out and hand it to you therefore making it mandatory and santionable... So as I've stated ticking the box is irrelevant.
Erm I think you need to take a look on a jsag. Ujm now has an action box so if an advisor puts look at ujm x times per week it becomes mandatory for you to use it as you agree to do so when you sign the agreement!!
Do you understand now?????0 -
Well you must be stupid because if you linked me with a job on ujm you would have to give it to me by hand telephone or text but you would not be able to give it to me via UJM.
You see the whole point of this thread was to help someone who was threatened with sanctions because they never applied to a job through no fault of their own. Not giving vultures like you consent would take that threat away.
You just dont understand that even thoe you can be mandated to register on the ujm. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO USE IT> IS THAT CLEAR>
Registering for ujm is only mandatory in a action plan. Using it as a job search is not,
Get your facts right.
Do you understand now.
Zzzzzzz you're boring me now!! Your wrong but hey ho I only work at a jcp I obviously know nothing lol0 -
Exactly I would just print it out and hand it to you therefore making it mandatory and santionable... So as I've stated ticking the box is irrelevant.
Erm I think you need to take a look on a jsag. Ujm now has an action box so if an advisor puts look at ujm x times per week it becomes mandatory for you to use it as you agree to do so when you sign the agreement!!
Do you understand now?????
I think you have got the first part of it right, You can not sanction any one for vacancies in the ujm via ujm if you cant access their account. That is the whole point of this thread. I am glad that you have now accepted that.
An adviser can put what ever they like in an agreement but it has to be accepted by both parties. That is what an agreement is.
You said that thet can make you look at the ujm site and that is correct BUT YOU DONT HAVE TO USE THE SITE TO APPLY FOR JOBS. IF YOU THINK I AM WRONG THEN PROVE IT BUT I AM RIGHT AND YOU KNOW I AM. SO DONT PREACH TO ME WHAT YOU CAN OR CANT DO .
Untick the box you know it makes sense,0 -
I think you have got the first part of it right, You can not sanction any one for vacancies in the ujm via ujm if you cant access their account. That is the whole point of this thread. I am glad that you have now accepted that.
An adviser can put what ever they like in an agreement but it has to be accepted by both parties. That is what an agreement is.
You said that thet can make you look at the ujm site and that is correct BUT YOU DONT HAVE TO USE THE SITE TO APPLY FOR JOBS. IF YOU THINK I AM WRONG THEN PROVE IT BUT I AM RIGHT AND YOU KNOW I AM. SO DONT PREACH TO ME WHAT YOU CAN OR CANT DO .
Untick the box you know it makes sense,
I suggest you do some research on a disputed jsag
I have also never stated you have to use ujm to apply for jobs other than those you are matched to.... So I suggest you read my posts correctly before making judgement0 -
krok Can I ask you a simple question please UJ has not been around long. So how do you think we have managed to legally match customers to vacancies, follow up with employers as to whether they have in deed applied for them or not before UJ can about? We have been able to refer R.E sanction doubts to decision makers for years!!!
When you apply for a vacancy under UJ if the submission arrangements are for you to send an electronic C.V. rather than click on the apply button how exactly will we know whether or not you have applied even if we can see you account?
For those who have given us permission it tells us dates and times they have logged in, what jobsearches they have done on UJ and if they have applied or any vacancies via the apply button. It does not record, unless they voluntarily input it what jobs they have applied for from other sites, what jobs they have rung and what electronic e-mails they have sent.
That is why advisers and assistant advisers do not like UJ, they still need the customers to provide details of their specific job search. As csmw has correctly pointed out to you it is up to the customer to provide evidence of what steps they have taken.
If you think by adding personal insults to threads it will intimidate then I am sorry.
Can I also ask, without any prejudiced, why you are so against people working in JCP offices? You obviously like going in there so much.
A question I also ask people who are long term unemployed, Why do you feel you are not moving forward and gaining employment?
bear in mind the average office has around 2000-3000 claiminats on JSA alone, each adviser will have around 120 on their caseload. That does not include ESA customers, lone parents. When you consider the person signing you will see a person on average every 4 minutes and if each of them is as polite and considerate as yourself then no wonder they may not be smiling happy people!
Working in JCP is a thankless job, no hidden rewards, no bonuses just a job. We do try but well....
And I have already told you I don't agree with many of the process, I do not like UJ, I don't support the work programme, but then we don't manage either, but I cannot do anything other than my job and support staff to do theirs.0 -
krok Can I ask you a simple question please UJ has not been around long. So how do you think we have managed to legally match customers to vacancies, follow up with employers as to whether they have in deed applied for them or not before UJ can about? We have been able to refer R.E sanction doubts to decision makers for years!!!
When you apply for a vacancy under UJ if the submission arrangements are for you to send an electronic C.V. rather than click on the apply button how exactly will we know whether or not you have applied even if we can see you account?
For those who have given us permission it tells us dates and times they have logged in, what jobsearches they have done on UJ and if they have applied or any vacancies via the apply button. It does not record, unless they voluntarily input it what jobs they have applied for from other sites, what jobs they have rung and what electronic e-mails they have sent.
That is why advisers and assistant advisers do not like UJ, they still need the customers to provide details of their specific job search. As csmw has correctly pointed out to you it is up to the customer to provide evidence of what steps they have taken.
If you think by adding personal insults to threads it will intimidate then I am sorry.
Can I also ask, without any prejudiced, why you are so against people working in JCP offices? You obviously like going in there so much.
A question I also ask people who are long term unemployed, Why do you feel you are not moving forward and gaining employment?
bear in mind the average office has around 2000-3000 claiminats on JSA alone, each adviser will have around 120 on their caseload. That does not include ESA customers, lone parents. When you consider the person signing you will see a person on average every 4 minutes and if each of them is as polite and considerate as yourself then no wonder they may not be smiling happy people!
Working in JCP is a thankless job, no hidden rewards, no bonuses just a job. We do try but well....
And I have already told you I don't agree with many of the process, I do not like UJ, I don't support the work programme, but then we don't manage either, but I cannot do anything other than my job and support staff to do theirs.
well busy mom and that other so called link adviser you are both still not getting the point of this thread.
As i have said before the whole point of not ticking the box is to reduce the risk of getting unfair sanctions as was reported at the beginning of this thread.
I think we all know we have to produce evidence of the actions we have done to get ourselves in work. What i am saying is you dont have to use ujm to do that.
I have nothing against employees of jc as long as they are fair to me, but i am sad to say that most are power mad and think they can do what they want. They have tried it with me but i have always come out on top and left them with egg on their faces.
As to my circumstances with why i am unemployed. Does 2 heartattacks and a stroke have anything to do with it. Do you think thats it.
I only insult someone if they have insulted me. I am not the sort of person to turn the other cheek.
I hope that answers your questions.
UNTICK THE BOX, YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE.0 -
I suggest you do some research on a disputed jsag
I have also never stated you have to use ujm to apply for jobs other than those you are matched to....Exactly I would just print it out and hand it to you therefore making it mandatory and santionable... So as I've stated ticking the box is irrelevant.
Erm I think you need to take a look on a jsag. Ujm now has an action box so if an advisor puts look at ujm x times per week it becomes mandatory for you to use it as you agree to do so when you sign the agreement!!
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If you're printing out 'matched' jobs, why would they need to use UJM at all? (unless the only way to apply is via the 'apply' button, ie no contact details for employer)
Amoungst other things, my JSAg states 'Check my UJM account for jobs - 7 times a week at least'
Because I don't allow DWP access all that means to me is I have to write 'Looked on direct.gov' each day in the little grey booklet. I will not be logging on to find 'matched' jobs put there by an advisor with the possibility of a sanction for not acting on it.
As KROK keeps stating, that was the point of this thread!0 -
well busy mom and that other so called link adviser you are both still not getting the point of this thread.
As i have said before the whole point of not ticking the box is to reduce the risk of getting unfair sanctions as was reported at the beginning of this thread.
I think we all know we have to produce evidence of the actions we have done to get ourselves in work. What i am saying is you dont have to use ujm to do that.
I have nothing against employees of jc as long as they are fair to me, but i am sad to say that most are power mad and think they can do what they want. They have tried it with me but i have always come out on top and left them with egg on their faces.
As to my circumstances with why i am unemployed. Does 2 heartattacks and a stroke have anything to do with it. Do you think thats it.
I only insult someone if they have insulted me. I am not the sort of person to turn the other cheek.
I hope that answers your questions.
UNTICK THE BOX, YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE.
But you are not seeing it from it from our side, lets go back to the beginning.
The Op does not give the JCP access to his /her account but the job is still printed off rather than saved and issued to the customer, it is still a matched vacancy. It will still closes when it closed and the adviser will still ask for proof as to if they applied. It would still be exactly the same outcome. Either the claimant provides evidence they applied or we ask the employer to verify. How is having access to the account any different?
This is exactly the point we have been making. It really makes no difference if access is given or not. the only reason it is mandatory to register and use UJ is because the system has this 'apply ' button so you are unable to apply for those jobs any other way.
As for insults, you clearly threw them first in this thread. re -read.
As for your health concerns, yes they can be a barrier but plenty of people work with health concerns. A heart attack is no reason for the scrap heap but I feel you are putting yourself on it not me.0
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