Car left in our road

Stooby2

ILW wrote:

What statute is that?

_Portly_Pig wrote:

The offence is to use a vehicle without insurance. Where does it mention to drive it?

Power to seize a vehicle
8.1. Section 165A of the Road Traffic Act 1988 allows a constable to seize a vehicle only if certain conditions are satisfied.

8.2. Driving unlicensed
8.2.1. The first condition is that the constable is in uniform and that under Section 164 the constable has required a person to produce his/her licence and its counterpart for examination. The person has failed to produce his/her licence and its counterpart and the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that the motor vehicle is or was being driven in contravention of Section 87(1) of the Road Traffic Act 1988.
8.3. Driving uninsured
8.3.1. The second condition is that the constable in uniform has required a person to produce evidence that a motor vehicle is not or was not being driven in contravention of Section 143 and the person has failed to produce such evidence and the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that the vehicle is or was being so driven.
8.4. Driver fails to stop
8.4.1. The third condition is that the constable has required a person driving a motor vehicle to stop. The person has failed to stop or to stop the vehicle long enough for the constable to make such lawful enquiries as they consider appropriate and that the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that the vehicle is or was being driven in contravention of Section 87 Sub Section 1 or Section 143.

It's not enough to assume that just because the vehicle is now parked on the road uninsured, that it was driven there uninsured. So it can't be seized. However the registered keeper can be dealt with for keeping an uninsured vehicle on the road.

Tilt

pinkteapot wrote: »

You're only allowed to be uninsured if it's SORNed. And if it's SORNed you're not allowed to park on the road.

It was one of our neigbours who first mentioned it to us. No-one they or we have asked knows whose it is and it hasn't moved for weeks (as far as we know).

We live opposite a hospital so it could be someone who had an appointment and ended up getting admitted or something.

Didn't want to report it for a while longer just in case it is someone's but now I know it's uninsured it's annoying me. I'll ring the local station tonight. Just scared of getting beaten up by someone who lives in the area whose car it is!

Ring 101 and report it anonymously. It may take several more weeks though for the police to do anything about it.

Blackjack_Davy

In the past when there was an abandoned car that was unmoved for months I phoned the council - some days later a recovery vehicle came and took it away on a low loader.

The second occasion with a different car someone came and drove off in the car - obviously the guy moved it somewhere else as someone had gotten in contact with him after I reported it

fivetide

Blackjack_Davy wrote: »

In the past when there was an abandoned car that was unmoved for months I phoned the council - some days later a recovery vehicle came and took it away on a low loader.

The second occasion with a different car someone came and drove off in the car - obviously the guy moved it somewhere else as someone had gotten in contact with him after I reported it to the council -

The council may well have written to the registered keeper to say they considered the car abandoned and it would be removed unless it was claimed.

Ours certainly used to do that and give a two week deadline.

maninthestreet

So when does the RFL actually run out on this vehicle?

ilikewatch

Why do you want the car moved? - in neither of your posts do you say that it's causing you any problems.

photome

ilikewatch wrote: »

Why do you want the car moved? - in neither of your posts do you say that it's causing you any problems.

Stooby2

PortlyPig wrote:

That's very good but can you show us the offence of driving without insurance?

no you can Google it for yourself - Sec 143 RTA.

I know the offence says "Using" and in keeping a vehicle on the road you are using it. However to seize, the officer needs to have seen the vehicle being driven or have very good evidence of someone driving it.

muckybutt

yep def sec 143 stooby ya beat me to it.

The Motor Vehicle (Insurance Req)( Immobilisation, Removal and Disposal) Regs 2011 make provision for the removal and or immobilisation of uninsured vehicles found stationary on public roads or other public places.

The act gives DVLA and MIB powers to deal with registered keepers that are taxed but uninsured.

arcon5

Maybe they are local and parked it somewhere safe as they can't afford insurance or something until next pay day. I know I did this a couple of years ago, was uninsured for about 2 weeks (never drove it of course) and would be absolutely gutted if somebody had it towed when it clearly caused no problems at all to them.