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Dan Hodges on why Labour will probably loose the election.
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chewmylegoff wrote: »Err...UKIP's cornerstone policy is for Britain to immediately leave the EU.
At the bottom of their list of 8 policies:None of these policies can be implemented while Britain is still a member of the European Union, and that is just one of the reasons why UKIP policy is to leave the European Union.0 -
At the bottom of their list of 8 policies:
I must admit that Thrug comes out with some stunners mixed in with some intelligent comments, that one takes the biscuit though
'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
I don't expect UKIP to be a major issue for the Conservatives at the next General Election.
Nobody is that stupid.'In nature, there are neither rewards nor punishments - there are Consequences.'0 -
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Thrugelmir wrote: »Read my comment and digest.
So you meant that UKIP is not anti Common Market rather than anti EU?'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Do you honestly believe that Tories would vote UKIP at a General Election and risk getting a Labour Government? It's a ridiculous idea IMO.
They'll do it in the European elections next year and the usual halfwits will get excited about how UKIP has got ~30% of the vote. When it comes to the General election people vote for leaders not to make a point.
If they get 15% of the vote you are right that "return to nanny" will prevail. If they were to get 30% not so sure. Does Cameron move to the right? If so what happens to the displeased left of his party. It will be interesting.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Devon_Sailor wrote: »
Cameron's policies are not working and ordinarily the austerity and the divisiveness that Cameron is inflicting (by emulating his late hero and indeed trying to take out the NHS too) should do for him. But Labour lacks imagination and policy as Hodges said.
Bob,
The Thatcher government actually provided a boost to the NHS, ending the previous four years of Labour rule that tightened real terms spending to its lowest ebb for nearly 40 years.
http://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/data-and-charts/history-nhs-spending-uk
You can also see that real terms spending increased throughout the Conservative years in office (despite all the propaganda that has entered the collective psyche that they were cutting faster than a logger in the Amazon!). Also, the years 1989-93 saw the sharpest rise in spending (both real terms AND as a % of GDP) in the organisations history up until that point.
Regards,
D_S
I think you have misunderstood what I said (or maybe I did not make it clear). What I think I said was that Cameron's austerity and divisiveness was not working. My comment in parentheses was meant to indicate that he was inflicting these policies by emulating his hero Mrs T, but in addition he was doing what she had the political acumen not to pursue too far which was to privatise the NHS.
NHS spending has increased in real times since the 1970s, I agree. The Thatcher/Major government could be accused on not investing enough in crumbling hospitals and tolerating overly long waiting lists but I agree funding continued to grow under them, Blair increased it dramatically and Cameron appears to be maintaining it at that level.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Devon_Sailor wrote: »
What I do take issue with is how wisely that money was used - for example, you say about building hospitals. Most of them were built under crippling PFI deals. IF Blair had actually spent the money and built them, happy days. All for it. To buy them "on tick" and on such ludicrously advantageous contracts to the benefit of the builders, THAT was wrong..... A huge chunk of the "Blair Bounce" in NHS spending has gone not on nurses, Doctors or anything health related - they are wasting it away paying three, four and five times over for the same hospital.
To be fair, Major was the first one to use PFI.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »UKIP is not anti EU. I suspect few people want to return to a totally devolved Europe. More of a rethink as to how Europe should be bound together, i.e. free trade.
Brussels is driven by political ideology in many ways. Which causes resentment due to the way in which many appointments are made. With no chance for voters to actually pass judgement on what they are doing.
The financial mess that Europe now finds itself in. Cannot be resolved with a one size fits all strategy. Something which impact more and more as the years pass. While the politicians do little to introduce policies for the long term.
UKIP is anti EU and favours leaving it (as per its last manifesto).
It does support a free trade area but that is not the EU.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
I'm not sure, UKIP are a massive danger to the Tories and will split their move to a degree even if a general election is obviously different.Thrugelmir wrote: »Europe will create an exit route for Cameron with no need for him to do anything at all.
If they can get the majority of UKIP voters on board they have a chance, otherwise I imagine it'll be another hung parliament.0
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