Jobsearch 35 hours, 30 actions

guilds

bigboybrother wrote: »

Err yes, I live in Tunbridge Wells and worked in Charlton, SE London. Did that for 6 years travelling by car. It wasn't the money that was important, it was the job itself that made it all worth while.

Would I do it again? Yes if I was younger and fitter than I am now. I enjoyed the years staying in digs 4 nights a week and going home on a Friday night to see my wife and kids.

Best of both worlds - 4 days as a bachelor and 3 as a dad & husband.

I hope Flo dosen't see that:eek:could be rolling pin time:rotfl:

ArtoDeeto

fedupfreddie wrote: »

I have been told to search for 35 hours a week and do 30 actions a week.
It is possible to do 30 actions in far less than 35 hours for instance I have done 10 actions in 3 hours this morning.so what is considered more important?

Wow tiger. Who told you to do that and why? Did you go in and say you hadn't done anything?
Universal Credit and the Jobseekers Commitment isn't here yet.

Just go in and show you are doing all you can to find work and record it on Universal Jobmatch : btw don't take that as instructions if your Jobseekers Agreement says something else but 30 does seem unusual.

mrcow

35 "actions" is ridiculous.

If you did just 3 actions, but each of those were interviews, that would more than suffice as decent job hunting - far more than sending your CV off to 100 "job openings" that are appearing on the internet (many of which don't even exist as they are just ways for agencies to grow their client base).

fedupfreddie

ArtoDeeto wrote: »

Wow tiger. Who told you to do that and why? Did you go in and say you hadn't done anything?
Universal Credit and the Jobseekers Commitment isn't here yet.

Just go in and show you are doing all you can to find work and record it on Universal Jobmatch : btw don't take that as instructions if your Jobseekers Agreement says something else but 30 does seem unusual.

It was my first interview with an adviser after reclaiming JSA due to self employment not working out.
My Jobseekers Agreement says at least 30 actions and search for 35 hours a week.
The advisor tried very hard to persuade me to allow her access to UJM, so hard in fact that it just made me suspicious of her motives.

Ok it is easy to do 30 actions but I don't know how to prove that I looked for 35 hours.

Elzmumof3

fedupfreddie wrote: »

It was my first interview with an adviser after reclaiming JSA due to self employment not working out.
My Jobseekers Agreement says at least 30 actions and search for 35 hours a week.
The advisor tried very hard to persuade me to allow her access to UJM, so hard in fact that it just made me suspicious of her motives.

Ok it is easy to do 30 actions but I don't know how to prove that I looked for 35 hours.

i think they can make it part of your agreement that you HAVE to give them access to UJM - they have with me!

and ref the 35 hours a week thing - i have to look for jobs that are FOR 35 hours a week, not spend 35 hours a week looking - perhaps it has been lost in translation?

fedupfreddie

Elzmumof3 wrote: »

i think they can make it part of your agreement that you HAVE to give them access to UJM - they have with me!

and ref the 35 hours a week thing - i have to look for jobs that are FOR 35 hours a week, not spend 35 hours a week looking - perhaps it has been lost in translation?

Ok the actual wording is,
I will spend a minimum of 35 hours a week looking for work, taking a minimum of 30 steps each week.
I will provide evidence of this at each attendance.
That's the bit that worries me.

By the way they cannot make you give access to your UJM.
Have a look at this page for further info.
consent me uk can't post the whole link but you will find it with google.

john539

mrcow wrote: »

35 "actions" is ridiculous.

If you did just 3 actions, but each of those were interviews, that would more than suffice as decent job hunting - far more than sending your CV off to 100 "job openings" that are appearing on the internet (many of which don't even exist as they are just ways for agencies to grow their client base).

But that's the way Jobcentres, DWP, Tory policy is going.

It's quantity, "actions", internet activity not quality.

They are clueless.

mrcow

john539 wrote: »

But that's the way Jobcentres, DWP, Tory policy is going.

It's quantity, "actions", internet activity not quality.

They are clueless.

I just don't understand it though.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you get about 10 minutes a fortnight for an advisor to go through your job hunting efforts? Surely within that time, it's possible for them to make a judgement on whether you're doing it properly or not. And then advise or not on what you need to do to improve.

I remember 15 odd years ago the job centre even phoning and setting me up with an interview (and I got the job from it that week). Internet job searching really isn't the best way to go about it all, and repeating it 50 times a week doesn't make it any better.......

fedupfreddie

mrcow wrote: »

I just don't understand it though.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you get about 10 minutes a fortnight for an advisor to go through your job hunting efforts? Surely within that time, it's possible for them to make a judgement on whether you're doing it properly or not. And then advise or not on what you need to do to improve.

I remember 15 odd years ago the job centre even phoning and setting me up with an interview (and I got the job from it that week). Internet job searching really isn't the best way to go about it all, and repeating it 50 times a week doesn't make it any better.......

Times have changed, I have to sign every 2 weeks and see my adviser once a month. There is the threat of a sanction for any failure to carry out instructions, it is a matter of having to prove compliance.
I don't know how to prove it though.

Robbie64

fedupfreddie wrote: »

Times have changed, I have to sign every 2 weeks and see my adviser once a month. There is the threat of a sanction for any failure to carry out instructions, it is a matter of having to prove compliance.
I don't know how to prove it though.

As I posted earlier, it seems like your personal adviser is setting you up to fail so that you can be on the easy "hit list" of someone who can be sanctioned.

When Universal Credit is rolled out (and it starts today in the north west) this 35 hour per week jobseeking is going to be the norm for unemployed claimants. How on earth someone can spend week in, week out, spending 35 hours a week every week looking for a job is beyond me. It's just setting people up to fail. And with UC there is the risk that people could end up homeless when they can't pay their rent when they are sanctioned. The rent payment part of UC was meant to be beyond the part of UC that could be sanctioned but there's talk that the Government are now going to include this too.

I can honestly see some people on UC committing suicide though the stress and strain of jumping through hoops that the JobCentre have set up to make people fail and therefore get sanctioned.